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Update Dominic - Part 4

         

Luke_SR

2:16 am on May 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Continued from: [webmasterworld.com...]


www2.google.com and www3.google.com have the new -sj results.

Update is on :)

Napoleon

10:30 am on May 6, 2003 (gmt 0)



Here's an approach which may help some people who have seen their sites disappear...

Use SJ and the current index to identify a missing site. Not just any site, but one that really HAS to be there to give the results credibility.

NOT one of your own sites I hasten to add, but a serious leader in whatever field you choose.

Having found that site, periodically check to see if it has returned.

When it returns, we may be at or near the end of this cycle. If it doesn't return, you are not the only one with a problem... Google has one too (assuming you pick your missing site objectively).

ncsuk

10:35 am on May 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Anyone here got sites that are new and have a grey PR?

Do a search for you're site on ww2 & ww3 and tell me if it is there because something is amiss...!

jesserud

10:36 am on May 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

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www-fi is not giving the same results as www-sj, but it's also not giving the same results as www-in (presumed to be the same as www-ex, www-cw, etc). Positions of my pages for the two searches that gave me the most traffic last month:

Search 1:
#3,#4 in www-in
#4 in www-sj
#3 in www-fi

Search 2:
#3,#4 in www-in
#1,#2 in www-sj
#1,#2 in www-fi

Btw, www-fi's cache is broken: "Your search - cache:(url) (search) - did not match any documents".

jesserud

10:40 am on May 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

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When I search for a URL not in Google's database, both www-sj and www-fi omit the "If the URL is valid, try visiting that web page by clicking on the following link: (url)" line and only suggest "Find web pages that contain the term '(url)'". Since search ranks differ between datacenters that have updated, this small change might be a good way to tell which datacenters have updated.

[edited by: jesserud at 10:42 am (utc) on May 6, 2003]

mayor

10:41 am on May 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

fathom

10:43 am on May 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I think a lot here need to get some sleep. People actually considering SEO on whats not even on the main? Something in progress and not done yet. Are you serious?

What you see now and what you'll see eventually settle in the main will be VERY different.

cindysunc - as true as that may be... one reason that many work the less public data centers is that there is a fix time constraint to amend, change, edit, develop before the end of the next deep crawl.

Observing the changes as they happen means your next development cycle is online faster... and in the next update.

amazed

10:45 am on May 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Could it be that pages are ruled out, if keywords appear in the text above a certain limit? I am not talking of only keywords, I am talking of a text using a keyword very often because it is best description of facts.

Seems to have happened to a page of mine.

globay

10:59 am on May 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

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The only reason I could think of for my site disappearing, are the affilate links to amazon, and the webservices content. I could understand, if Google does not rank me very well, but taking me out of the index is too much.

What about their recent partnership with amazon? I think this will hurt amazon's revenues as well!

trillianjedi

10:59 am on May 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Anyone here got sites that are new and have a grey PR? Do a search for you're site on ww2 & ww3 and tell me if it is there because something is amiss...!

Yeah, I have a new site that is not indexed yet (grey bar) but it is in www2 and www3, SJ etc.

But that's our freshbot listing from a month or so ago. That's what the SJ index is as far as I'm concerned on this particular site - old data with freshbot listings.

Seems to vary from site to site (this particular site got deepcrawled in April, but none of the deep-crawl data is in the "new" index).

It's still too organic to be able to tell for sure. But, I do think it's still fun and interesting to discuss it, before it settles. That's often when you learn the most. It's the time in between it starting and settling that you notice the subtle things happen, like filters kick in etc, and that can be helpful.

TJ

aravindgp

11:08 am on May 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Hi All,
I was trying to catchup,

The Forum is definetly dancing to the tune of GoogleDance.

Now coming back:
I feel the -sj datacenter was used becoz google wanted lot of spam reports.The total number of spam reports that might be reported during last 45 hours could be pretty large number.

Hence Google might benifit in cleaning up and giving us good search results after they revert back to pre-dance SERP's.

I might be one crazy talking here but somewhere I see it's going to be somewhat same and freseher SERPS.

I hope I am not alone in this thought process?

globay

11:13 am on May 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

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This is certainly a very interesting algo:

Searching for "Sony Widgetname", #1 spot is a site, that contains in the sourcecode:

"Sony Widgetname": once: not even h1, just at the beginning of the paragraph.

"Sony" once more,

"Widgetname" once more.

There is no meta description, no meta keywords, it does not appear in the title, and the url contains sonywidget.

Can't believe, this site got up that far, there are some highly competitive sites in that field, being "optimized" for that keyword combination.

ncsuk

11:14 am on May 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Considering the amount of garbage there you could be right. They may have been monitoring it themselves though by doing automatic search in certain fields and finding sites that appear all over the place and have no reason too.

On the other hand they could just be messing with our minds.

aravindgp

11:21 am on May 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>Other than they could be messing with out minds.

True,I am with you.

My strategy :relax enjoy the dance with a drink.

Perhaps it is Drinking GoogleDance as said by GoogleGuy.

jojojo

11:27 am on May 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

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OK I am seeing VERY different results on -fi now...

fi-, sj-, www --- are ALL different.

Take a look at fi....

ncsuk

11:30 am on May 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Well something is definatly not right.

Maybe they all went out on the lash with teh Overture boys last week and they have just neglected to fix it and its spreading like a virus :P

xcandyman

11:32 am on May 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I can confirm fi has changed dramatically in the last hour.

ncsuk

11:34 am on May 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Can I just say im not seeing anything at all.

ncsuk

11:35 am on May 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Opps you're right...!

I didnt actually know there was a www-fi server to be perfectly honest lol.

Dayo_UK

11:37 am on May 6, 2003 (gmt 0)



This is what I think is happening with www-fi.

I think it was the same as www-sj but has had the latest lot of fresh data added.

EG - www-fi = www-sj + fresh results (I think fresh from 3/4th)

jojojo

11:41 am on May 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

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yes very intersting stuff... definitely the same old sj- database - probably just sj- fallout.

This definitely makes this an uprecedented update...

ncsuk

11:41 am on May 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I would be inclined to agree because I just checked my logs for both of my personal sites andMr Googlebot came and took every page on both sites on the 4th (sunday). These results should be added to the database today (2 days after the grab generally) and so should appear today which is perhaps where these freshy results have come from...

ncsuk

11:42 am on May 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

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If it is an update at all jojo.

John_Caius

11:43 am on May 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Strange thing - on www2 and www3 backlinks are different for my sites and *Google doesn't have a cache for them*. Is anyone else seeing this?

xcandyman

11:43 am on May 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

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FI at the moment IMO is the best one to keep an eye on. Just did a search for "the" and got 3,710,000,000 results compared to 3,400,000,000 on SJ

4 Billion Soon.

Steve

Dayo_UK

11:44 am on May 6, 2003 (gmt 0)



It would be a logical next stage to add recent fresh listing to the www-sj index :)

After all Freshbot is still doing the rounds.

John_Caius

11:45 am on May 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Strange thing - on www2 and www3 backlinks are different for my sites and *Google doesn't have a cache for them*. Is anyone else seeing this?

Dayo_UK

11:46 am on May 6, 2003 (gmt 0)



John_Caius

Yes - seeing no cache on various data centres ( I am looking quizically at www-fi at the moment though)

shaadi

11:47 am on May 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

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i guess time for "Update Dominic - Part 5"

jojojo

11:49 am on May 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I am getting the same backlinks in -fi and -sj - just different results - I think one has fresher freshbot activity.

but why is -fi showing fresher freshbot listings before -sj maybe -sj will be last?

This makes no sense. I need sleep.

Birdman

11:52 am on May 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I wouldn't be surprised if this drastic shake-up is intended to boost Adwords' sales. Let's see, they already get the money from the people who don't rank well and many who rank well now probably don't feel the need for Adwords.

Now if they drop all the sites who rank well in free listings and rely on the traffic, how many of them will consider Adwords. Probably many!

Of course I could still be in shock and be delusioned. It makes sense though.

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