Update Dominic - Part 4

[Luke_SR]

Continued from: [webmasterworld.com...]

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www2.google.com and www3.google.com have the new -sj results.

Update is on :)

[rfgdxm1]

No NeverHome. I've seen the update on only one server for several days before it propagates to the others. Makes some sense. First wait until the update is "fully cooked" before shipping it out to the other data centers.

[Powdork]

Here is an observation which may or may not be off base.
I have many new links to the home page of a site. These links do not show up on -sj et al but the pages have moved up as though the new anchor text and links are being counted.
Conversely, I have pages with mature links which are not being shown and in this case the pages are being adversely affected by this.

Is it possible that newly indexed links are not showing up with the link command but are affecting serps while older links that are missing are not affecting serps (although the fact that they are missing is affecting serps)?

[fathom]

Brett's spaghetti effect - is really prominent in this update.

I've never seen that before. Couldn't find it in a search. Could someone tell me what that is?

Thanks.

Throw it at the wall and see what sticks!

Widgets is a very competitive term and although search for by lots (say 100,00/day) 99% of click through traffic isn't looking for what you have.

blue widgets + brown dots + "Rochester New York" is a money maker, much less competitive and if you are in Rochester New York and you have "widgets" and have a promotion called "blue brown dots"... you stick.

A web page isn't only a word or two and Google snippets the most appropriate... therefore a good probably... even though you lose that 99,900 unqualified traffic... you gain 200K in qualified once only queries... "the spaghetti effect".

[Powdork]

Throw it at the wall and see what sticks!

Could very well describe the new algo.

I know we're not finished, and besides, I'm doing well. I just thought I should say it b4 anyone else.;)

[edited by: Powdork at 7:19 am (utc) on May 6, 2003]

[canuck]

The update is definitely still brewing... some things I noticed:

- Spam filters don't seem to have been kicked in yet in full-force. I see a lot of mirror sites/spam that is usually filtered out. Unless of course Google likes this ;)

- Many of the cache/titles are from previous updates for many searches I'm following.

... let the pot brew!

[Bio4ce]

Thanks Fathom. I'll have to give that a try. Sometimes I think I overthink the seo process.

[skipfactor]

Brett's spaghetti effect - is really prominent in this update.

Hmm, ever seen hidden text spammers evolve past using two-word phrases?

[fathom]

A good test > splice a few prime phrases together, and/or add your physical location. If your prominently ranked on a few... it's a better gauge (right now).

[24bit]

I've noticed that my backlinks are mostly gone, and the only ones showing are very old. My main keyword that I've always been between 10-28 is completely missing. My site doesn't even show up. Things have been going downhill for me the last couple updates, and I do everything completely legit.

[MaxRISC]

I was down at the bar the last night and had been having a few drinks while thinking about this update coming and I got into a conversation with a very nice looking lady which covered all of the basics....

At one point she asked me if I had any pets. To which I responded, "Why yes I do have a pet." She asked "Well what type of pet is it?" I said "Well it requires lots of attention and hates being left alone and I have to keep giving it fresh content or else it'll be left in the dust and everyone would be complaining about it." She then said, "Well that's very interesting." and asked, "what do you call it?" I said, "A website"
She smiled a little bit then thought she would get one up on me so she asked, "Well doesn't it have anyone else to play with?" And naturally I said "Why yes! It has a GoogleBot but right now they aren't getting along so well and that's why I'm here having a few drinks you..."

She gave me her number and told me to call :0)

[NeverHome]

It seems to me that Alexa has just started returning search results matching www3/-sj. If that indicates anything or not, I wouldn't have a clue. Just an observation.

[shaadi]

hats off MaxRISC,

But noone seems to give me an answer :(

[ncsuk]

Alexa is showing some really wierd results lately. WHat server does it get its results off?

[UK_Web_Guy]

The SERPS that I am seeing seem to rank sub pages, which in theory will only have internal links to them, higher than index pages which would have many more - for popular phrases

Anyone else see examples of this & anyone have any comments on why this may be the case?

[ncsuk]

MaxRISC

If you can pull like that you are either naturally attractive or the woman was blind...!

[spaidermen]

Or perhaps her name is Alexa :)

[netnerd]

UK_Web_Guy, I see exactly the same thing in the uk here too.

My site is no longer #1 on www2 or www3, but instead at #2 and #3 are subpages of it. This is how it was a few months ago when it first got ranked and prob. not completely spidered.

Also, a new site i have with no backlinks has went in at number 4! It is a reasonably competitive search term so there is something funny going on.

I would be surprised if this is the final update - it looks to me like there are a lot more inbound links to be accounted for.

[ncsuk]

www3 has just changed to the same results for some thing for one of my sites...!

Anyone else noticing something? It seems only to be newly indexed sites but something is happening.

www2 & www3 are the same...!

[edited by: heini at 9:15 am (utc) on May 6, 2003]
[edit reason] no tools, please / Charter [/edit]

[NeverHome]

I don't know where **** is drawing it's UK listings from, but they are not that same results as are showing on google.co.uk.

[poet22]

GG said he has a "strong hunch" they are going be adding the new data once the current data is deployed. I could be wrong but why would they stop there? Maybe they will just keep adding new data and links as it is crawled and I don't mean freshbot updates because that only updates current pages already in google with high enough pr. I mean on the fly updating of links followed by freshbot or googlebot. Seems like the next logical step from what GG has been telling us.

[swones]

Well I've been telling myself for the last few days "This isn't the update, please don't let this be the update", but now it seems it is. My site has effectively totally vanished from the index (well it's not in the top 300 results and I can't be bothered to look any further) if I search for my domain I find there are a few pages in there but no cached versions and not decriptions just bare links to them. I can only say that like many others here I feel totally ripped to the core! My site is free from any spamming techniques so why have so many of us been penalised like this? Even if our sites start to come back after a few days when more of the "improved" algo is brought online, I don't think it is good enough to just allow so many sites to get dumped without reason, couldn't google have worked all this out internally before allowing a "work in progress" in to the wild? It all seems very unprofessional to me, perhaps I'm wrong, perhaps I've totally missed the point, but right now where I'm sitting this update hurts.... real bad...

Simon.

[cindysunc]

You know what i've noticed? This isn't on the main Google. Endless threads talking about results that the normal person who uses Google never sees. Everybody trying to figure this out, nobody knows anything. Let it go to the main and settle, then you can see where you're at and go from there.

[ncsuk]

If only it was that easy. Considering the scale of teh changes which "may" transfer over to www1 I think it is onlu prudent that everyone try s to understand what is going on to avoid disaster.

[cindysunc]

It's too late to avoid anything at this point. The best thing to do is wait till it settles to the main and adjust. These threads trying to understand what no one knows anything about leads to nothing, just a bunch of assumptions. Theres no point to it for the simple reason no one knows whats happening. Really from all these threads what has anybody learned? The normal Google user doesn't see the www2,www3,sj, they see the main. When it settles to the main, then is the time to talk about it. Right now these threads will just go on running in circles trying to figure out whats not even done yet. Silly

[ncsuk]

It isnt too late because Google is still spidering and those results are being updated all the time.

The only time it is too late is 3 days into the dance because you havnt got a chance of getting anything new in before the dance finishes.

[cindysunc]

I think a lot here need to get some sleep. People actually considering SEO on whats not even on the main? Something in progress and not done yet. Are you serious?
What you see now and what you'll see eventually settle in the main will be VERY different.

[MaxRISC]

Her name was Nicole...I think she said she had a black lab and was there with friends.

Anyway welcome back everyone. It was quiet in here for a bit.

Either I need another beer or to get some sleep. My internal links are gone. My backlinks are about 3 from 40 or so and yet I got new users coming to the site for the first time from all over the place and orders are picking up...hmmm

I will need to investigate this further after breakfast sleep and a gallon of coffee.

[swones]

cindysunc

>What you see now and what you'll see eventually settle in the main will be VERY different

I really HOPE that you're right. Personally I hate chirpy optimism but hey I'll give it a try! hehe

[mayor]

SJ = GOOGLE's SHOCK and AWE! SPAMMERS REPENT!

Everyone who outranks me will soon be confessing their sins! One hundred "Hail Google's" should do the trick.

[Markus]

www-fi has just been updated. It appears to be the sj index.