UPDATE! Google Feb/March 2003 UPDATE 2

part 2

[creative craig]

continued from: [webmasterworld.com...]

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Across 4 sites seen major jumps in ranking for me in all of them :)

RDF dump done its job for me as well :)

Craig

[SEO practioner]

Rudy-

I have the same problem here in Montreal...
It is sooooooooooo slow

YAWN !

[why2kit]

Apologies if this question has already been answered. I looked thru all 8 data centers as GG said that the number pages that google has indexed was a good indicator and I find that on 7 they are all about the same 10,700 +/- a couple of hundred. But when I got the CW datacenter that number is about 36,500.

So the question is does one datacenter do all of the crunching and then the data (god knows how many terabytes) is farmed out to the other centers as mirrors? if that is the case is CW the "starting point"?

Cheers

Richard

[ciml]

Welcome to WebmasterWorld, why2kit, SEO practioner, Haakon

Haakon, Google's liking 'dynamic' looking URLs more and more, but last time I checked PR5 wasn't enough to get particularly deep spidering with '?'s in the URLs.

why2kit, the new index is processed and then 'rolled out' to the main datacentres. So yes, CW is the starting point. Richard, it looks like you have a lot of listings this month. :-)

[hamster77]

Slightly disappointing update for us...

Our own site has slipped a couple of places in the serps when I was hoping it might climb slightly. One of our client's sites has fallen several places, but it looks like this is due to sudden competition from some heavier weight US sites.

Completely lost all backlinks to another client's site, but maybe these will come back... hopefully...

Lost another site entirely, but now I think about it that was down for a few days while moving it between servers and I think it may've missed the crawl.

Hopefully we might get some of the recent freshbot goodies back again after the update's finshed.

S'pose it's going to depend on where the pagerank ends up as to how much trouble I'm in...! Now I can start waiting for the March update :)

[jrs_66]

Has anyone noticed that the new index is accessed when using Mozilla as your browser, while using IE you must use www2? This is odd- since google will penalize us for doing the same.

[heini]

Hi jrs_66 - welcome to the board

Care to clarify? Why should Google penalize for what?

[logen]

Hi GG, got a queston from germany - sorry for my bad english. :-)

i got a free subdomain, from a domainservice here in germany. i build my homepage on it and got some extern links. the freshbot and the deepcrawler visit my site (every month, a few times since 1.1.2003) but i am not listet in google. i saw that the main-domain is not listet in google a has a grey PR. so i think that domain ist kicked. Now my question: is my subdomain automaticly kicked too? Do i have a chance to get listet with this subdomain?
Thanks and greetz from germany. You're doing a great job in this forum!

[jrs_66]

Spoofing... Google is using some sort of browser detection. When I use Mozilla, I'm directed to the new index. When I use IE, i'm directed to the old. Why would they be using such browser detection? But anyway...the new index is publicly available for anyone using Mozilla/Netscape.

[customdy]

Hi, I used a few of the google dance tools, I get the same results on www, www2, and www3 Is it possible that my site as not be visted by the google spiders yet? I also checked the logs and only see spiders from AOL..

Thanks
Customdy

[jrs_66]

Customdy,

Do a search for your domain name with no 'www.' and no '.com' or '.net' etc. You should see a link to you site if its there.

[GoogleGuy]

logen, I think you should be fine in your current spot. It's much more likely that we just haven't found enough links to your site yet. I think you'll be fine with a little more time and maybe an entry in the Open Directory.

Best wishes,
GoogleGuy

[customdy]

I did the search on google dance tool (no www or .com) and the site is there but it is the same on www, www1, and www2 and it is an older version?

I also searched on www and it is there but again an older version?

Thanks

[sparrow]

GoogleGuy, didn't you just go to bed? Or at least that's what I read.
By the way, thanks for all the info you've added in the last few days it really has helped take the edge off the waiting for the update.
Thanks

[HackingLawyer]

I've seen no movement at all as to the order of listings in the Google directory under my site's category.

Is this something that is reserved for the end of the dance? I would think it would be highly unusual for 190 sites to remain the same position.

[heini]

>When I use Mozilla, I'm directed to the new index. When I use IE, i'm directed to the old

Ok, I fired up Netscape, got the old index. Used Opera, got the new. Fired up IE, got the old one.
I don't think it's browser dependant.

Which does not mean to say, Google doesn't do targeted content delivery...

[toddb]

So far not doing as well on this update as I did on the last one. My main keywords I dropped 3 slots from 4 to 7 ouch! One of the sites now above mine is an error page and has been for 3 days now. I hope we are still fluxing as this is ugly so far. Sort fo depressing to work as much on this as I do to be beat out by a page that does nto exist.

[AAnnAArchy]

Okay, is it just me? I can't see any results changes in www or www2, only www3. And when I check the Google Dance tool, I only see changes in Server 8, but the other 7 all show the same old results.

[newsparrot]

AAnnAArchy
Same here in the uk, odd but then it is the dance!

[greenspan]

Yep, same here all but 8, is that it?

[jrs_66]

heini,

Maybe you should try Mozilla then. I've now verified this on three machines (2 in boston, 1 in NYC). All show this behavior.

[Guenni]

just a short question, why aint the dance added to the list?
[webmasterworld.com...]

it IS the dance, right?

[netguy]

You sure like putting fire to the feet of Brett don't you...

[rfgdxm1]

>Ok, I fired up Netscape, got the old index. Used Opera, got the new. Fired up IE, got the old one.
I don't think it's browser dependant.

>Which does not mean to say, Google doesn't do targeted content delivery...

Most of the universe uses IE. As such, if this was an issue IE is what to worry about. However, I doubt Google cares about browsers.

[Dave2]

For some reasons links to my site have dropped to about 400-odd, and PR has apparently dropped from 7 to 6 :(. I can't confirm this as I'm a Linux user :/.

[freejung]

Wooooohooohohohohohohoooo!

YES!

Sorry, but I just came in, and I had to do that... I'm now number 2 for my main keyword in my ENTIRE COUNTRY! Number 1 for my secondary keyword, too!

Oh, wow, this is cool. I want to do the standard "Oscar Speech" thing and thank WW, which has been instrumental in this. You guys rock. I love you all.

Yeeeeehaaaaaa!

Peace out...

[GoogleGuy]

"I doubt Google cares about browsers."

We do care about showing up well on all browsers, but it doesn't really matter as far as the update goes.

[logen]

thx for the answer GG.
but, are about 8 backlinks not enough, to be listet in google?

[rfgdxm1]

>We do care about showing up well on all browsers, but it doesn't really matter as far as the update goes.

I meant "Google discriminates based on browser". As in, Google intentionally to consider certain browsers less important.

[HackingLawyer]

I've seen no movement at all as to the order of listings in the Google directory under my site's category.

Is this something that is reserved for the end of the dance? I would think it would be highly unusual for 190 sites to remain the same position.

[casperkor]

FreeJung.. I am jealous.

My site is new and I was honestly thinking that because I was doing sooo well in the temporary indexing that my site would do even better when my backlinks were applied.

Now I am frustrated and bumbed out. I am a mother of 3 little ones who stays up (after they go to bed) until 2:30am on the average adding pages to suit what people are looking for. The site is the first of it's kind on the internet and of the people that have found it so far.. there is a high percentage of repeat visitors.

I don't understand.. I mean if there is a site that people
are looking for and it's making their quest a whole lot simpler.. why would Google drop them to lower pages. It makes no sense at all. Now I see in my stats people are having to type in my Domain name because they can't find me anymore.

Before I lose all hope .. can anyone tell me what more can a person do? I feel as though I am up against a brick wall.

Like on one of my keyword phrases .. one site that is ahead has two of the front page spots..What is the purpose?
Why wouldn't Google want to give someone a different option as opposed to two for the same site, for the same keyword phrase?

Before I go.. Does anyone have any cheese to go with my wine?