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Major changes to AdSense

Pricing structure and ad relevance

         

markus007

8:04 pm on Apr 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Unless adsense is sending out a april fools joke, what do people think of the changes? Every site has a unique pricing model?

For example, a click on an ad for digital cameras on a web page about photography tips may be worth less than a click on the same ad appearing next to a review of digital cameras.

[edited by: markus007 at 8:08 pm (utc) on April 1, 2004]

ken_b

10:48 pm on Apr 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

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"...Are the changes already in effect?..."

That seems to be unknown at the moment.

justageek

10:50 pm on Apr 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

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TCLA has been doing this for a while now and it works just fine. Don't panic people. The effect is to reward the pages that do well and not the ones that generate crap traffic. It helps the program out as a whole and actually allows a less than stellar site to still participate. The only ones who should worry are the ones who are unsure of the quality of traffic or are generating false clicks.

This is the logical way to do this type of advertising and I'm curious as to why it took so long for Google to figure it out. Not all sites are created equal and this is a fair way to handle it.

JAG

steve40

10:51 pm on Apr 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Hi all,
I think this has already gone into effect
as an adwords advertiser and an adsense publisher , the ROI on content has always been lower on Content providers than pure search and often cpc has been higher

Over the last few days I have noticed that my cpc consistently on content sites has been lower than pure search .
2 of my sites increased cpc and ctr significantly and 3 decreased cpc and ctr

As an advertiser I was thinking of dropping content sites due to the ROI as could many others , so although income for many will decrease without advertisers feeling good about advertising on content sites the long term effects would be a downturn of income anyway
just my 2 cents
steve

itisgene

10:57 pm on Apr 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Not all Adwords advertisers turned the content ads on, meaning the CPC for content ads SHOULD BE lower than search CPC due to the lower competition for the keywords.

As an advertiser, if I can pay far less than the current CPC for content ads separately (that is what Google adwords will announce soon), I will turn it on again.

MarkHutch

11:08 pm on Apr 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

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This might hurt a bit at first, but it could turn into a great money making opportunity in the long run. I can understand why advertisers would want to target their ads to commercial sites, since most commercial sites are already selling something to the public, not just researching information on a subject. As an advertiser, I would pay more for ads on sites that might allow my clicks to convert better.

Also, it's going to be more important than ever to have good anchor text from other web sites since that seems to be ranking more and more in the algo of what a page/site is really all about.

Broadway

11:13 pm on Apr 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I love AdSense money but also realize that the AdSense program needs to be a positive thing for all involved.
I can't say I really comprehend the new changes but:

1)If the changes are some how a better thing for the advertisers, if it gets them better clicks, then that's a good thing for the AdSense program and a good thing for me. I don't mind earning somewhat less if the changes make it likely that the AdSense program will remain healthy and continue to be a source of income for me.

2)If these changes are some way for AdSense to weed out some participating sites I think that's great too. I would like the AdSense program to be more selective in choosing participating publishers. I would like AdSense to be known as a place to get quality clicks for advertisers. Right now it has more of the reputation of being second teir to the AdWords ads you see on the SERP's.

nacho_man

11:29 pm on Apr 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Time to wake up guys.. I know someone who was at the webmaster conference in Florida.. he doesn't usse adsense, I do, but he did listen to a conversation that a group were having with an adsense rep from google about "knowing how much we earn per click". He intejected and said "is the reason you don't tell anyone so that in a few months when everyone is nicely hooked and dependent you can drop the rate and they won't be able to argue?" Cue - not happy Google rep -.

Well when EVERYONE's earning drop they can now say it is because your site is not relevant to an advertiser' who btw they have never met or discussed what the advertiser is looking for.

Look at it this way, we don't know how they calculate the money, we have next to zero real tracking and yet they send us this email to explain something that is just utter piffle. But at least we now all have a reason for the drop.

Watch out for.. "My earnings have dropped off.." thread followed by lots of "Ahh it's beacuse of the relevancy of your site". What they have user profiles of everyone who visits my sites now .. wish they would post them to me as they would be very useful.

markus007

11:34 pm on Apr 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

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New adsense bot user agent it seems...

Mediapartners-Google/2.1

used to be
Mediapartners-Google/2.1 (+http://www.googlebot.com/bot.html)

I just saw google sent out a notice to advertisers now... saying pretty much the same thing and this new pricing is yet to come into effect.

AdSenseAdvisor

11:44 pm on Apr 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Let me try to address a few of the questions that have come up so far...

First of all, the changes did indeed go into effect today.

The email talks about 'pages' rather than 'sites'

This is correct - the pricing for a particular ad will take into account the keywords/concepts on the page that triggered the ad, the context of those keywords/concepts on the page, and the system's calculation of the value of that combination. The value is calculated based on a large number of factors, and is constantly updated as information is fed back into the system.

The photography example was only to demonstrate how this may work - review sites across the board are not necessarily going to provide higher value to advertisers. It's a case-by-case calculation.

So, you may find that your revenue goes up, goes down, or stays the same. It may take some time to see a pattern emerging.

In the end, as many of you have pointed out, we expect it to drive growth in the advertiser base for content sites, which can only be a good thing :)

ASA

CPCretirement

11:52 pm on Apr 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Up until yesterday I was getting very targeted ads related to the interests of my users. For example, in a section about older cars there were ads related to restoration parts, etc. Today almost all I see are ads for new car dealers.

I'll be surprised if this works to my benefit. It certainly doesn't work to my users benefit yet.

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