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And am experiencing major happiness. Some of these these results were visible on five DCs on and off for the last week. It now appears to be spreading and on some DCs I am experiencing a small additional boost.
I for one hope this sticks.
I'm seeing some reports of this being an issue or perhaps a bug.
Missing/Faulty Backlink Data => Artificially Low PageRanks => Shallower
Indexing => 1000s of dropped Pages
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I can get any of our missing 8000 pages into the index by simply adding an extra link to them on our Home page (PR5). When I remove the links from the Home page (so that they are now only linked from deeper (PR4) pages, they get dropped from the index a few days later. I have seen this important symptom reported a number of times, but no one seems to have picked up on its significance yet. Needless to say, I have no idea what the "real" PRs of these pages are, I can only report what I can see on the Toolbar. Maybe the "real" PRs are now significantly
lower thanks to a backlink bug?Whatever, the fact that I can get any number of our missing pages into the index by simply linking to them from our Home page, suggests to me that the bug has nothing to do with canonical issues, nothing to do
with spam filters, and nothing to do with duplicate content filters.Unless, of course, these new filters factor in PageRank?
In any case. It seems very likely to me that PageRank lies at the heart of the problem:
One possible cause, would be if the backlink data we're somehow out of date or faulty. Since Big Daddy, for example, a "site:" search now shows just one external backlink to our site. There are many "trusted" external backlinks that are now simply missing (although Yahoo and MSN both show them, as did Google before Big Daddy).
"In any case. It seems very likely to me that PageRank lies at the heart of the problem"
Its a possibility!
In one of my posts (April 14, 2006) I mentioned something about the possibility of Google testing SpamRank factors. To learn more about SpamRank (Fully Automatic Link Spam Detection):
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msg #:135 12:06 pm on Apr 14, 2006 (utc 0)
Ellio
"The homepage remains PR6 on the toolbar but all other pages previously varying from PR6 to PR3 have gone to PR0 in the toolbar."
They call it at the plex "Dynamic PageRank of Internal Pages" :-). For no logical reason, sometimes pages go from PR0 to PR5-PR6-PR7 etc... Other times pages go down from PR7-PR6-PR5 to PR0.
It could be a part of an operation to fix the canonical issue. It could be that its part of testing new spamrank factors. It could be.....
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Ellio"The homepage remains PR6 on the toolbar but all other pages previously varying from PR6 to PR3 have gone to PR0 in the toolbar."
They call it at the plex "Dynamic PageRank of Internal Pages" :-). For no logical reason, sometimes pages go from PR0 to PR5-PR6-PR7 etc... Other times pages go down from PR7-PR6-PR5 to PR0.
It could be a part of an operation to fix the canonical issue. It could be that its part of testing new spamrank factors. It could be.....
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Reseller,
This is a misleading statement: They call it at the plex "Dynamic PageRank of Internal Pages"
You simply made this up and stated it as fact.
As my next post stated in that thread the fact that the toolbar is showing PR0 for the internal pages does not mean that the pagerank is PR0. THe internal pages continue to rank as normal so I suspect this is a toolbar PR issue only.
Please try to stop stating your ideas in bold and with quotes as if they are facts.
Sorry kind fellow member. It wasn't my aim to discuss the old post again, but rather to say that "testing SpamRank factors" was mentioned in that post.
And please, in future when quoting something I write, don't forget to quote possible ":-)" after the statements. It makes a lot of difference, I guess :-)
And there was a ":-)" after my old statement:
They call it at the plex "Dynamic PageRank of Internal Pages" :-)
[edited by: reseller at 8:55 am (utc) on May 12, 2006]
"Problem is your statements with our without ;-) are sometimes misleading."
Again, sorry. That wasn't/is not my intention.
Lets go back and discuss:
"In any case. It seems very likely to me that PageRank lies at the heart of the problem", which was mentioned in Whitey's msg #:63
Once again it does look like good data has just been swallowed up by Google's totally corrupted database. Every single time since after Brandy when good data appears it completely gets destroyed when pushed out onto the datacenters. If this is the case again, I'm afraid we are at least a year away from Google solving its serious problems.
The last three weeks its been 66.249.93.104 from where I am located near London.
Slightly improved SERPs from my perspective.
Not really sure what's going on anymore.
Am worried!
that DC offers a very slight improvement in rankings, still only showing a fraction of my site
just realised I've posted in DC watchers thread :) helpppppppppp LOL sorry reseller :)
"just realised I've posted in DC watchers thread :) helpppppppppp LOL sorry reseller :) "
Ladies and Gentlemen!
Please welcome our brother tigger to the Father of All Threads; Google Data Center Watch.... only on WebmasterWorld :-)
Where are these results coming from? They surely are not anywhere on the DC's.
Also those experimental results have vanished.
Enjoy! :>~
So those slightly modified "Mysterious" results have lasted only for 3 hours or so.
On the other hand, the "stable" serps of
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Have gone too.
However, I see new serps on
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But who knows for how long. One hour, few hours, one day...few days...
Uk search as Ellio said previously has been 66.249.93.104 for about 3 weeks. It then changed to 72.14.207.104 for about 24 hrs and its now 64.233.183.104. There is a slight differnce in SERPS but not much that I can see. Wonder whether they are experimenting or if its just a normal routine switch.
We are still seeing the return of 66.249.93.104 on google.co.uk in our area near London.
I may have missed 64.233.183.104 making an appearance though.
Missing/Faulty Backlink Data => Artificially Low PageRanks => Shallower
Index
I'm also seeing crawl problems leading to Missing/Pages => Artificially Low PageRanks => Shallower
Index
The bug equation is a worry
IMO, somebody at the plex is testing Search Quality since yesterday.
Within the sector I watch, the following two sets of DCs have kept acceptable level of search relevancy
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While most of the rest of DCs are showing few irrelevant search results at top 10 (still within the sector I watch and for my test keywords).
Maybe we should expect a heavy testing summer months ahead ;-)
"reseller, those DCs have Dec 05 listings for one of my sites. eek"
Or maybe it's a mix of old and new data.
If you have deleted a page since that date it is possible that it now appears as a Supplemental Result with a cache date between 2005 July and 2006 March.
If you have amended a page after that date, then when searching for words that were on the old version of the page but are not on the new version, you will still get the page returned as a match, with the old content shown in the snippet. That entry will be tagged as a Supplemental Result. If you search for current content, you will see the page as a normal result, and with current content in the snippet. Either way you will proboably see a recent cache date.
The site showing 1 to 33 of about 150 a while back, was up to 1 to 77 of about 150 a couple of days ago, and as of yesterday showed 1 to 142 of about 148.
This "update" has been going on in one form or another since 9/22/2005. That's almost a year.
Coupled with MS proclaiming they're going to own search within a year, it makes me wonder if google is on the brink of becoming the next netscape. From what I see of google today, i'm betting this is true.
For a few months, "post Jagger" MSN orders saved us.
Now it's back to them hating us in direct proportion to our Google SERPs coming back up.
I'm going to have gray hair in another year from now!
I'm not doing it either? Just watching my stats!?
I see that the problem where every page of a site:domain.com search showed the same snippet, and ignored the meta description text, appears to have been fixed for many sites.
Yes fixed in our case too.
