Data Center Watch 2006 May 05

Oh no. . . . not another DC thread!

[Komodo_Tale]

I am seeing changes in:

64.233.161.107
64.233.161.147
64.233.179.99
64.233.179.104
64.233.187.99
64.233.187.104
216.239.37.99
216.239.39.99
216.239.59.99
72.14.207.99
72.14.207.104
72.14.207.107
64.233.167.99
64.233.161.99
64.233.161.104
64.233.167.104
216.239.39.104
216.239.59.104
64.233.179.107
72.14.207.107
216.239.39.107
216.239.59.107
216.239.59.147
64.233.167.147

And am experiencing major happiness. Some of these these results were visible on five DCs on and off for the last week. It now appears to be spreading and on some DCs I am experiencing a small additional boost.

I for one hope this sticks.

[colin_h]

My small collection of UK sites have been hit today. Just general interest nowadays (i.e. no affiliate schemes or links). I sold up at the beginning of this year and the results then were better than these.

My group of sites all went supplimental this morning, they included pages that haven't existed since mid-2005 and the caches date from around April & May 2005.

This might be due to a catastrophic failure of BD infrastructure, rather than an update. Hold on to your hats ;-)

All the Best to those who are struggling.

Col :-)

[300m]

frakilk

I do not think it is a coincidence at all. However, I noticed that I popped back in around March 1 and had a killer month. Allthough April and most of May has not been good, infact April was 50% lower than March and May was 50% lower than April. I am seeing this "recovery" on all datacenters currently for my sites.

I used to be really optimistic about this, but Google is having multiple issues at the same time and would need to see some good google traffic for at least a week befor i can say that its a recovery. And I use the term recovery very loosely.

I think 1 of 2 things could happen.

1) the serps for me will stay this was for the day and go bye bye tomorrow (most likely)

2) The serps are going to stay around for about a month and keep their pre jagger rankings.

Of course, thats not to say that I don't beleive these are current rankings, because they are. I have no clue how its going to turn out, but I am not getting excited for a little while yet.

[M3Guy]

<rant>

This is a massive drop in G traffic coming through, just been talking with Tigger and we're both seeing absolute rubbish in the search results we're checking. Major terms have now been taken over by amazon, newsgroups, link directories and lots of cloaked pages.

We're both seeing genuine unique pages and terms drop down the serps by huge amounts.

I hope this is simply a test, as they did with BD before it went up, and that it gets rolled back later today to what we were previously seeing, if not, i dread to think of the impact this will have.

And as everyone at G says it's a search engine for the users and not the webmasters, well have a look and tell me what benefit any user can get from these rankings.

</rant>

[tigger]

reseller

its right across the board from all the web & UK only

the thing I don't understand is this

My "FUN" started with G 4/5 weeks ago when I lost 70% of my pages and over the last 2 weeks I've been slowly pulling old pages back now standing at 219 out of 600+ but for a single keyword (my main term) have been getting stronger all the time now sat at 9th

But today I've seen all my money terms vanish but the crazy thing my single keyword is still ranking at 9th and the serps I'm seeing on 66.249.93.104 are a complete mess

#*$! is going on

[F_Rose]

Why is the status on my site the same as 4/5 weeeks ago..

No new pages are getting indexed we have only 24 pages indexed for the past 4/5 weeks..

[fred9989]

I'm getting
64.233.183.104 as Google.com default and the results look very good indeed.
Rod

[300m]

tigger

"have been getting stronger all the time now"

It is interesting that you say that. Because it just so happens that my main kw was the only page that held throughout. I started to think it was there because of some weird ip target results thing (kind of like they tracked click behaviors by region or IP address)

I found it odd that was the only page that survived the past several weeks as well.

[petehall]

tigger

How does your site look on:
64.233.179.99
64.233.179.104
64.233.179.107

[tigger]

300m

this is the daft thing for the last 12 months I've been trying to get that single keyword ranking (not doing anything black hat) then the drop started along with everyone else and suddenly I start ranking for my single term not great but she was popping up along with a few other money terms but today those other money terms have gone but my single keyword is still sat at 9th.

I'm just at a loss

sorry if I'm repeating myself - stressssssssss

[Hissingsid]

Hi,

How are you guys picking up the IP?

I'm using Firefox with ShowIP plug-in.

Sid

PS This is getting as bad as Florida for me.

[edited by: Hissingsid at 3:32 pm (utc) on May 16, 2006]

[tigger]

mouse over the cached details within the serps then look at the bottom of the browser

[tigger]

How does your site look on:
64.233.179.99
64.233.179.104
64.233.179.107

thats showing me about the same as .co.uk is right now

[fred9989]

Just had a thought: maybe this variation is intentional. Maybe Google are doing it deliberately to befuddle spammers: maybe we should not expect to see stability again.
Rod

[Hissingsid]

How does your site look on:
64.233.179.99
64.233.179.104
64.233.179.107
thats showing me about the same as .co.uk is right now

Hi Tigger,

My SERPs on those DCs are as good as they have ever been for my main target terms. They put me where I've been for the last 4 years with the exception of the Florida fiasco.

A bit down on some less competitive terms that I've got used to being in the top 3. Still in the top 10 though.

Also most of the competitors I would expect to see in the top 20 are there. All of the top ten IMHO probably deserve to be there both from their site and true market position point of view. 2 of them are being given a bit of a boost from bulk paid for links but even so they are relevant.

My google.co.uk is 216.239.59.104. BT Broadband North of England. Those results drop me down 4 places for my main 2 word term and put a couple of very dodgy sites in there. One with loads of links hidden in <noscript> tags and another with an unusual and non relevant links pattern. ie they have loads of links in from off topic pages and have statement saying we can't currentl offer <<search term>> service.

Whilst this is a bit worrying some of the DCs I've seen today are a complete disaster of Florida proportions.

Best wishes

Sid

[outland88]

Sid, the way I've been interpreting those DC's is they haven't slapped the filters on them yet. Even though I do extremely well on them it reminds me of how much Google manipulates the results with no surfer any the wiser.

[steveb]

64.233.179.107 do show significant improvment in some ways, but the spamrank stuff is simply out of control. Trustrank has to have been the dumbest, most easy to spam idea ever.

[MLHmptn]

[home.att.net...]

Check out the SERP's here....Very different

[whitenight]

[home.att.net...]

Check out the SERP's here....Very different

Well this explains the phantom SERPS and visitors for one of my sandboxed sites. Ranking quite well here.

[skippy]

http://home.att.net/find_members.html

Looks like a spammed out horror show to me

[steveb]

Oddball serps there. At first I thought they were the return of the serps on comcast last week, but now I see a page listed with its DMOZ title on page two, but then the same page listed with its regular title on page three.

===

And now they just changed to a completely different, quite poor, dataset. So, nothing to see here apparently.

[Hissingsid]

Hi,

The results at that DC are frightening. To think that they have made such a disaster live and available for real people to search on shows that they don’t know what relevance and search quality means.

My home page which has ranked at #1 for most of last 4 years (except for immediate post Florida period) for our most important 2 word term is not in the top 100 on that DC.

Post Florida Googleguy asked me to send him email. I sent a full explanation of what I thought was going on with examples from sites including our own. I know for certain that our site was looked at by GG and others at G'plex and after they looked at it we went back to #1 and stuck there. If they are looking for a trusted site in our market we should be it!

I can understand changes in algorithm moving sites up and down a few places but again they are playing with things that result in the complete dropping of the #1 site.

Sid

[MLHmptn]

Refresh those results a few times and you will see they are changing quite frequently......Don't base your thought on just viewing it once. One set seems to be an exact copy of what is dominating Google's SERP's at the moment and another set is quite different. Steveb is seeing what I am talking about.

[Hissingsid]

Hi,

There we go back to #1 again.

Regardless of this do you see what I'm saying generally. They seem to be experimenting with the use of a sledge hammer to crack a nut. Each time they hit a new nut it just explodes and they don't get any kernal.

Steveb said yesterday that "Trustrank" is (to paraphrase him) a stupid idea. What is really stupid is implementing one stupid idea along with other technologies which may or may not be stupid but that have an overlapping effect of SERPs.

Last time we got dropped from sight we eventually worked out that they were using an American English thesaurus written by someone who thinks that the World stops at Boston and San Francisco. I opperate in a market where the English English meaning and semantic inter relationships of a word are quite different from the US English meaning and inter relationships. We know that they are playing with semantics in a different way again. I wonder if this is having an effect.

During the Florida aftermath I noticed that most sites and pages in our niche are dead ends so I decided to add outbound links to our home page and to other pages in the site. These outbounds were to authority pages on our niche area and I used the words that we are targetting in the visible link text. This has, I believe helped us to stick at #1. One of our competitors has even scraped those links and links to internal pages on our site and stuck them on their home page between <noscript> tags. This has helped them to be in the top 10. I've not reported them because I can't be sure how much good those links to our internal pages are helping us.

Can dead end pages ever be trusted?

Sid

[tebrino]

For my keywords results seem to be very clean and almost exactly the same on all datacenters since yesterday. Old competitors are back in first ten and number of spams dropped to one for my most important two word phrase.

[fred9989]

[home.att.net...]

What interests me about the search results there is how different the results are to Google.com - they seem extremely commercial, in the sense that almost every site in the top twenty results is a commercial site rather than an informational one. This seems unlikely to be by chance - it's almost as if Google is giving its partners various options in what they present.
Rod

[Hissingsid]

Hi Fred,

Refresh your searches a few times, they are pulling from a number of datacentres including one that looks like one of these.

[64.233.179.99...]
[64.233.179.104...]
[64.233.179.107...]

Sid

[zillans]

Google data centers I monitor throughout the day:

66.102.7.99
66.102.7.104
66.102.7.105
66.102.7.106
66.102.7.107
66.102.7.147
66.102.9.99
66.102.9.104
66.102.9.106
66.102.9.107
66.102.9.147
66.102.11.99
66.102.11.104
66.102.11.106
66.102.11.107
66.249.81.99
66.249.81.104
66.249.81.106
66.249.81.107
66.249.83.99
66.249.83.104
66.249.83.106
66.249.83.107
66.249.85.99
66.249.85.104
66.249.85.106
66.249.85.107
66.249.87.99
66.249.87.104
66.249.89.99
66.249.89.104
66.249.89.106
66.249.89.107
66.249.93.99
66.249.93.104
66.249.93.106
66.249.93.107
72.14.203.99
72.14.203.104
72.14.203.106
72.14.203.107
72.14.205.99
72.14.205.104
72.14.205.106
72.14.205.107
72.14.207.99
72.14.207.104
72.14.207.106
72.14.207.107
216.239.37.98
216.239.37.99
216.239.37.104
216.239.37.105
216.239.37.106
216.239.37.107
216.239.37.147
216.239.39.98
216.239.39.99
216.239.39.104
216.239.39.105
216.239.39.106
216.239.39.107
216.239.53.98
216.239.53.99
216.239.53.104
216.239.53.105
216.239.53.106
216.239.53.107
216.239.57.98
216.239.57.99
216.239.57.103
216.239.57.104
216.239.57.105
216.239.57.106
216.239.57.107
216.239.57.147
216.239.59.98
216.239.59.99
216.239.59.103
216.239.59.104
216.239.59.105
216.239.59.106
216.239.59.107
216.239.59.147
216.239.63.99
216.239.63.104
64.233.161.98
64.233.161.99
64.233.161.104
64.233.161.105
64.233.161.106
64.233.161.107
64.233.161.147
64.233.163.99
64.233.163.104
64.233.167.99
64.233.167.104
64.233.167.106
64.233.167.107
64.233.167.147
64.233.171.99
64.233.171.103
64.233.171.104
64.233.171.105
64.233.171.106
64.233.171.107
64.233.171.147
64.233.179.99
64.233.179.104
64.233.179.106
64.233.179.107
64.233.183.99
64.233.183.104
64.233.183.107
64.233.185.99
64.233.185.104
64.233.185.106
64.233.185.107
64.233.185.147
64.233.187.99
64.233.187.104
64.233.187.106
64.233.187.107
64.233.189.104

[reseller]

zillans

Google data centers I monitor throughout the day :-)

[72.14.203.99...]
[72.14.203.104...]

[64.233.167.99...]
[64.233.167.104...]

[ulysee]

Well got a few thousand hit's over the past day and a halffrom my site regaining it's Dec 27th rank losses and now my rankings are falling again.

It was good while it lasted but what else would one expect from the erratic big impotent daddy.

[dazzlindonna]

same thing happened to me ulysee. was exciting while it lasted.