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Part 4 Update Jagger

         

GoogleGuy

9:18 am on Nov 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Continued from:
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reseller, Jagger3 ended up having less emphasis on canonicals. I plan to make that a theme in my feedback to people at work though.

AlexK, that's a different domain. But the point is very well taken. You've found a pretty obscure query (~295 results) that the keyword stuffing spammers like to target. I'll check this out in more detail.

[edited by: Brett_Tabke at 1:03 am (utc) on Nov. 12, 2005]

TammyJo

1:38 am on Nov 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

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We are all biased ;) These results are so random for our keywords you don't REALLY find what you are looking for. Oh well, until it changes again!

Atomic

1:39 am on Nov 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

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When I search on .7 for a certain term there's a UK listing at #4 but the site is missing when .9 is queried. From what I saw the .9 results made more sense and the UK listing didn't belong.

Ankhenaton

1:46 am on Nov 8, 2005 (gmt 0)



today was ABYSMAL went from traffic max at server capacities to the worst Monday ever :\ ... Wonder if G programmers salary would be slashed by 2/3 if they would fiddle that much..

Yesterday with apparent J3 updates all looked fine to todays disaster. :\

No offense but a PR update should mean more traffic not 2/3 less.. If PR6 is meaningless then please don't bore us with it..

Sorry for being emotional but this really sucks.

donelson

1:49 am on Nov 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Sorry, is how good is PR6? Can anyone name a site which is PR 10?

AlexK

1:53 am on Nov 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

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LegalAlien:
so does anyone think we might be lucky enough to see an interim PR update?

G updates PR continuously, and applies that PR as-is to the SERPs, but displays updated PR on a 3-monthly basis. (This info is drawn from Matt Cutts blog)

steveb

2:03 am on Nov 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

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The refinement/tweak/fix applied to Jagger1 results (as a test I guess) last week is now rolling out onto many more datacenters. Hopefully it will get on them all today and we can move forward from there.

The tweak/fix is incomplete too -- at least on my effected domain two /directory/-sections do not get "fixed" -- but at least this is a start... and some beginning analysis of jagger can begin.

Ankhenaton

2:10 am on Nov 8, 2005 (gmt 0)



PR6 isn't great but better then PR 5 ;) i thought, which we had before. :) Since we cashed in more and more natural links I thought this would be good. :\ We are also on governmental and age old sites, I can't really see that all that changed within a day. And they started to display new PR's like 2 weeks ago, what sense does it make then 2 weeks later to slash .. the backlinkchecker which correctly predicted PR6 when we still had PR5 still says PR6, 1/5 more backlinks in Google so whats up? I neatly did my 301 redirects even with extra server .. no major changes.. example.com shows the same as www.example.com .. thanks.

So is this over now and can we at least start reacting now?

dauction

2:16 am on Nov 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

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search uroxatrol

Ankhenaton

2:16 am on Nov 8, 2005 (gmt 0)




The refinement/tweak/fix applied to Jagger1 results (as a test I guess) last week is now rolling out onto many more datacenters. Hopefully it will get on them all today and we can move forward from there.

The tweak/fix is incomplete too -- at least on my effected domain two /directory/-sections do not get "fixed" -- but at least this is a start... and some beginning analysis of jagger can begin

Why now Jagger 1 again? I thought J3 was out. Was away today and come home now to Jagger 1?

Ankhenaton

2:20 am on Nov 8, 2005 (gmt 0)



search uroxatrol

I had such a result about a week ago on a DC with all 3 sections neatly split.

So it seems G is still toying with us, let the waiting continue.

Just a reliable end date would be helpful then we can look then and take it from there. I just thought this was today this end date according to MC blog. :\

CainIV

2:21 am on Nov 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

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PR6 isn't great but better then PR 5 ;) i thought, which we had before. :) Since we cashed in more and more natural links I thought this would be good. :\

I was under the assumption most webmasters had now dismissed visible toolbar pr, as it is entirely useless except for validating whether a particular site may have incurred a penalty.

A pr2 link from a ten year themed site in dmoz is worth 5 times a pr 4 link from a one year old domain imho.

Especially noticeable for us in this newest series of updates - links from aged sites, themed and totally on topic.

donelson

2:23 am on Nov 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

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We own a trademark: Virtual Travel ®

Search: virtual travel

gives the 3-way split screen.

These do not split the screen...
overseas travel
armchair travel

VERY weird!

donelson

2:24 am on Nov 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Is there a tool online to find the PR of a given URL?

Ankhenaton

2:28 am on Nov 8, 2005 (gmt 0)



Well we are online since 1997 so .. we have all kinda links .. old new forums, spammer non spammer governmental .commercial.hobby, even brazilian/rumanian/hungarian/english on a German site.

As I said if it's worthless that PR then it should be binned .. :).

I have a PR6 also on an equally old english site which is less frequented, so I believe it's harder to achieve in non english languages.

Anyway just an end date then I can come back then and whinge. ;)

wiseapple

2:34 am on Nov 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Looks like they have pulled Jagger3. Hmm... Wonder if it went back to the internal dc - something we cannot see. I am sure we will see something new by the end of the week.

Stefan

2:36 am on Nov 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Just a reliable end date would be helpful.

There is no end date. Jagger ver/whatever will move right on into the next algo changes (name undetermined, but if tradition were a factor it should start with the letter K) and won't look back. As noted several times in these monstrously long threads, canonicalization problems are a big part of peoples problems, and given enough time, if changes have been made, sites will crawl back into the serps. Dodgy linking schemes, etc, etc, are a different matter.

longcall911

2:44 am on Nov 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

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If J3 is rolled back.... what a joke that would be.

All of this has me wondering if the folks at G are as smart as they'd like us to belive. They seem to talk a good game, but 3 weeks into this 'update' SERPs are bouncing off the walls with no sign of settling down.

Fortunately for G, Joe Surfer doesn't have a clue. I could never get away with these antics with my customer base. If my products varied wildly for three weeks in a row my phone would never stop ringing and most of my customers would bolt.

Yet, G gets off scott free. Go figure.

/*tom*/

Ankhenaton

2:48 am on Nov 8, 2005 (gmt 0)



I am aware that there is continous change, nevertheless this seems to be a bit bigger. :)

Now back to my dodgy linked pages .. lol

Garya

2:53 am on Nov 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Its not Jagger 2 you guys. The results are different then 2. Its a mix of 2 and part of 3.

walkman

3:02 am on Nov 8, 2005 (gmt 0)



>> We own a trademark: Virtual Travel ®
and I own the color green.

First, as a courtesy to the mods /as per rules I wouldn't put any keywords here--especially if they are yours.

Second, unless it has been upheld in court, you really don't own it. The trademark office registers pretty much anything you submit, and they let the courts handle any challenges

[edited by: walkman at 3:10 am (utc) on Nov. 8, 2005]

WebPixie

3:02 am on Nov 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

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These don't look like Jagger2 to me either, but I can't honestly remember. It's all become a blur. I know my site is in a position it's hasn't been in before during jagger.

steveb

3:04 am on Nov 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

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It's just what Google Guy said, the next step. The tweak on top of Jagger3, which obviously makes some significant changes since some sites return from oblivion to there correct ranking.

walkman

3:13 am on Nov 8, 2005 (gmt 0)



steveb,
I hope so. I have a feeling that after this is "done," google will unleash GBot and re-calculate everything again. In just a few days is wil lbe oen month since I removed some links from my other site to the one hurting now. I'm 99% sure those links did it, since I rank around the #50s for everything, including "mydomain.com".

what surprised me is that most of my pages were dropped totally, and I'm gaining them back little by little. I have about 1500 pages and only about 150 are cached, and another 200 are url only. I did remove many supplementals via G remove but I doubt that had an affect.

Once can hope that this will fix it.

dubnoir

4:13 am on Nov 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

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kamika said:
>>>>>I have recovered almost all positions that I lost on September 22 and gained a few exciting extras. One difference though is that pre-September, my home page was usually the indexed result, whereas now I'm finding that my section indexes are rating high for their keywords.

on what date did you recover from 9/22? and which DC do you see your results?

WW_Watcher

4:16 am on Nov 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Still looks like J2, with a bit of flux to me, I think they pulled our visibility to J3.

Back to watching
WW_Watcher

aeiouy

4:18 am on Nov 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Looks like infoseek circa 1996 to me!

talismon

4:24 am on Nov 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Can someone pls post the link to spam reports for this update again?

Thanks!

WW_Watcher

4:28 am on Nov 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Hey Talismon, [google.com...]
and make sure that you use the keyword jagger3 in the description area.

From Matts Blog

Back to Watching
WW_Watcher

AlexK

4:31 am on Nov 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

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donelson:
Is there a tool online to find the PR of a given URL?

Try this one [checkpagerank.com].

talismon:

Can someone pls post the link to spam reports for this update again?

[google.com...] (msg#473, amongst others).

[edited by: AlexK at 4:33 am (utc) on Nov. 8, 2005]

talismon

4:31 am on Nov 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

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thanks ww...
I just stikyed you for an opinion on a spammer..
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