Update Jagger, Google Update Oct 18th, 2005

When can we expect a new PR update?

[jretzer]

Continued from here:
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Anyone have any guesses as to when we can expect a new systemwide PR update?

[jd01]

You can even read the original papers on it.

I highly recommend this!

The *importance* of a page (PR) does *not* have to do with the text on the page...
The *relevance* of a page has everything to do with the text on the page...

I have seen BLANK PR4 pages, because they were linked to by high PR pages (on accident), but those pages did not show in the results... It was important, but not relevant to anything.

Again:
PR has nothing to do with the content of a page, and everything to do with links.

Justin

Added: Did not see the previous reply while posting =)

[texasville]

>>>PR has nothing to do with the content of a page, and everything to with links. <<<
Ok. But I went and wrote many articles about uses and safety with the product we sell thru a storefront. The website is for that storefront. Many article sites picked them up and many sites that cater to people that use our products picked them up. Then all the links back to me began to be dup content and filtered by google. They all became supplemental results.
So then I began to get directories to link to me and actually picked up quite a bit of traffic from them. not google. but they were displayed in google so in a roundabout way I was getting the traffic. Then google decide directories were irrelevant and most of them ended up disappearing and I believe their links discounted.
Where does that leave me? Harvard isn't going to link to me. msn, cnn aren't going to link to me.
Google continues to ignore my site.
msn and yahoo give me 80% of my traffic. The rest comes from directories, ask, some sites for people that are for people that use our products.

[idolw]

hi GoogleGuy,

Hotel/travel SERPs still not good.
We run a small destination site and obviously offer ones of the best deals on the Web. However, Google results consist of only large booking sites only - there are approx. 30 travel/hotel sites changing their spots and nothing else.
Each of these sites have auto-generated pages. Each page with the same keyword stuffed text such as:
"enjoy up to 70% discounts on hotels in <small destination>. We have xx hotels here ..."
I am sure all of us know what I am talking about.

Of course, quality sites offering good information and better choice for the buyer have been kicked to pages 4-8 or even further.
Same happened to us on October 16, 2005 as well.

Is it going to be altered with Jagger3 or does Google consider such SERPs right ones?

[webdude]

Mmmmm Interesting. MSN referrals up 400% and G down 400%

[lorien1973]

Based on what I'm seeing, the #1 factor in getting ranked now is quantity of BL's (over quality). Quality has been thrown out the window.

Seems like to be #1, you should make a free hit counter, make everyone who uses it link to a site you want to rank #1 and voila, in a few weeks you are there! Seems to work like a charm for tons of sites ranking #1 now.

I've reported the sites I've seen doing this, but if this report is followed the same way as the others I've done, I have a feeling the site will actually improve in rankings afterwards.

[More Traffic Please]

Based on what I'm seeing, the #1 factor in getting ranked now is quantity of BL's (over quality). Quality has been thrown out the window.

I agree, and I also think the number of internal BL's is playing a much bigger role accounting for the 50K + page sites wiping out the smaller more focused niche sites.

[edited by: More_Traffic_Please at 6:03 pm (utc) on Oct. 27, 2005]

[texasville]

GoogleGuy-
Just saw your post to me. Thank you very much. Now if I could just figure out how that seo is using his servers to funnel backlinks to these sites that really don't belong there I would let you know that too. These guys not only wear the black hats but masks too. I just get bent out of shape when I work so hard on my sites and try to avoid anything that could possibly impede their progress and then along comes a firm that will be so dark. It's also why they can do things so cheap. No real content=no real hours of work.
Thanks again.
Now I have to go watch my daughter receive her academic achievement award <brag> lol

[zeus]

I see many of the new results gets from google.co.uk to google.com now, it looks like the new results are slowly moving to google.com.

[jbgilbert]

Looks like Google can change it's mission statement to me...

"... aggregate into our search results any and everything that looks and smells like yellow and white pages -- no matter the validity... "

[2by4]

"Subscribe to the Better Business Bureau online certification program or a similar "Trust-e" certification program and place their logo on your home page with a link back to their site."

Girish, no, think about it, if this would increase your trust rank, then all the seos would start creating certified sites, once they figured out what the minimum standards to get certification were.

Trust rank can't be bought, not easily, although it can with some work be manufactored. Google wants one and only one arbitrator of trust rank: google. That's why there is no trustrank bar, that's why they don't show you backlinks anymore, and that's why the tools don't work anymore in any meaningful way.

Leosghost:

The object was always ..make 2 guys lots o' money ..and now it is make the companies shareholders lots o' money..

Just like newspapers are there to sell ad space ..not to provide news or info ..

c'mon man, don't let everyone in on the secret, then they will all know, what are you doing? Repeat after me: google will fail, google will lose all its eyeballs, google has no idea what they are doing, google is messing up, google operates by a different, and morally, and spiritually, higher set of laws than any other media company, google's quarter to quarter record income and profit rise is sheer coincidence and comes as a unexpected bonus to the gplex, who simply would not have expected anything so nice to happen.

But one thing remains constant, the serps have to be what the searches are looking for, if the results aren't there, the eyeballs aren't there, and the income goes away. Google knows this, that's what will keep their searches quality.

[edited by: 2by4 at 6:13 pm (utc) on Oct. 27, 2005]