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what i notice is that the Google data centre that serves me in the UK by typing in Google.co.uk is 66.102.9.104 and i see various serps results
Yet, if i type into the browser 66.102.9.104 i get different results why is this?
[edited by: tedster at 10:37 pm (utc) on July 28, 2006]
So it seems we are going back now to the serps of just before 26th July
My site is back like it was prior to June 27th. I came back partially July 27th and the rest of the way today. So for me it seems like we are going back to the serps prior to June 27th.
Those Data Refreshes have the effect of mixing serps together of different times and dates, I guess :-)
I really see on the DCs a serps-mixture!
Could it be that Data Refreshes are some kind of sectors-filters? I mean specific filters for specific niche?
Thats exactly what I'm doing each morning and each evening befor going to bed :-)
All my sites are content rich, non-commercial sites, but ALSO HAVE a Flash (on-request) popup window to show virtual tours
I also looked at the above IPs and saw no difference
In the meantime not sure if they are constantly re-counting backlinks, I'd assume that we will have a yoyo-type-of-SERP for a couple of months. It actually almost never stopped since big daddy.
But WHY can't they filter the biggest cross linking networks and text link buyers? I seriously had big hopes on this update but I feel quite depressed now!
...and I am not even talking about these impossible to understand sentences in some heavy SEO'd sites, they are getting better rankings along with text link buyers and link schemes - Hope this will switch over to a real change.
////rant stops here --
[edited by: followgreg at 11:03 am (utc) on July 31, 2006]
and where? I must have missed it...
what exactly has matt cutts said about 72.14.207.104?
This DC has a new, more accurate, "site:" search. Both MC and GG have commented on this in the past. I think GG also mentioned other slight improvements to "infrastructure" on this DC.
I've seen the same infrastuctre flicker on and off on other DCs also. It's usually also on 216.239.37.99, for example.
The notion that 72.14.207.104 will somehow show radically different SERPs now, or at any point in the future, seems to have materialised out of thin air. Neither Matt, nor GG implied this in anything I've read.
The notion that 72.14.207.104 will somehow show radically different SERPs now, or at any point in the future, seems to have materialised out of thin air. Neither Matt, nor GG implied this in anything I've read
It did materialize out of thin air. I tried to prevent this confusion in the posts that are now "missing" from this thread.
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6:06 pm on July 30, 2006 (EDT -4)
A search for "72.14.207.104" site:mattcutts.com shows several threads indexed as both www and non-www now.
Heh, Matt Cutts blog is now starting to show duplicate content.A search for "72.14.207.104" site:mattcutts.com shows several threads indexed as both www and non-www now.
Hmm, it was only a matter of time, esp with a blog.
Let's see if this gives any extra incentive to solving the root causes.
Or do they simply hand-code them away like the 302 adsense debacle of last year.
How are you counting the supplemental results? I assume by using a site: search.
Count the number of normally indexed pages in a site:domain.com search. See what you get. If it is almost all of your site, then you are doing OK.
For the pages that show as Suplemental evaluate the page title and the meta description again, as well as the on-page content (is any of this content close to that shown on some other page?), and evaluate the navigation to that page (use Xenu LinkSleuth to see any problems).
Google did a big clean up of old Supplemental Results just a few months ago. Prior to that there were cache dates going back about two and a half years (2004 January), now they only go back one year (nothing dated older than 2005 June).
For any Supplemental Results that show for pages that are now 404, just ignore them - Google will show them for a year or two in the index to show what the site used to have online. You cannot make them go away. They just "are". Make sure that anyone clicking one of those 404 URLs in the SERPs gets taken to a sane point on your site to start navigating from.
These searches all show interesting things:
site:domain.com
site:domain.com inurl:www
site:domain.com -inurl:www
site:www.domain.com
site:www.domain.com inurl:www
site:www.domain.com -inurl:www
Try them all. As long as Google has indexed most of the URLs that DO exist for your site, don't worry too much about how many extra URLs show up as Supplemental.
I've just been playing around on 72.14.207.*.
I have two word term which I target for my site which seems to be sensitive to whatever is being used on that DC. On the other DCs my page is consistently at #5 but on 72.14.207.104 it is at #1.
When I search making the first word plural my home page joins the other page on both 72.14.207.* and the other DCs.
Other DCs Index #4 inner page #5
72.14.207.* Index #2 inner page #1
Now if I search with first word singular second word plural on the other DCs my index page goes to number 4 and is the only one present in the top 10 but on 72.14.207.* my inner page goes down to #45 and my index page is nowhere to be found.
The treatment of plurals on that 72.14.207.* algo appears to be buggy and unpredictable. Is any one else seeing this kind of effect?
Sid
With so many websites (including some of mine) having disappeared of late I was wondering whether other people's 'live' Google was any better, or it just a localised datacentre problem.
The data centre 72.14.207.104 is currently showing absolute Cr@p full of spam
Meanwhile 216.239.59.104 and 66.102.9.104 were showing far better results imo.
All three of these data centres are showing variations but 66.102.9.104 was even cleaner.
What i dont understand is that, love or hate the data centres results, Google is currently as i see it serving totally different data on its data centres depending on which data centre is serving you at that time.
To prove the point i deleted history, cookies etc half a dozen times and then went back to google.co.uk to find a different data centre serving me.
So, is it a case that the spam data from 72.14.207.104 is going to move over to the others OR is the data on 66.102.104 or 216.239.59.104 going to win the day.
Alternatively, is it likely that googles current policy is in fact to now serve different data - that way more sites buy in adwords to make up for the fall?
Any ideas
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That's interesting!
Sid
Just wish to mention what I consider an important remark which GoogleGuy has just posted today [webmasterworld.com]:
"And just to be clear, our main web index is usually updated daily, and is typically refreshed completely every 2-3 weeks."
>>> All same garbage from where I stand and across a few 12's queries. I mean not completely garbage but definetely not improving my search experience whatsoever :)
I have a hard time believing that google will put this live AS IS.
What makes you think those 4 data centres serps will go over to the other data centres?
I agree they are showing total junk, making the serps worse than ever but they must be just test data centres as they have to much quality missing and to much spam ranking high.
It would be madness for google to roll that data out so i cant see them doing it, as i say, my moneys on those data centers being for testing only
So I see some of you don't like what they see on this set:
72.14.207.99
72.14.207.104
72.14.207.107
Now... why do you call the serps of above DCs as crap and garbage? Is it because of poor search results? spam sites at top of the serps? too many supplementals on the serps? etc...
Oh.. don't get me wrong. My own main site hasn't been doing well on above set lately ;-)
