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We need to keep this thread focused on the followings:
- Changes on your own site ranking on the serps (lost & gained positions or disappearance of the site).
- Changes you have noticed on the new serps (both google.com and your local google site) especially in regards to the nature of the top 10 or 20 ranking sites.
- Stability of the serps. I.e do you get the same serps when you run the same query within the same day or 2-3 successive days (both google.com and your local google site).
- Effective ethical measures to deal with the above mentioned changes.
Thanks.
I expect the data at 64.233.167.104 to spread to other data centers in the next few days.
Yay! My review site seems to be back to normal on that datacenter. My personal site is still cactus, but hopefully that will recover next update.
If you find Google has indexed your site(*) as both the domain name and as an IP address then you need to put in a 301 redirect from the IP address to the domain name.
If you don't find the IP address in the SERPs you can do nothing, or you can put in a redirect just in case they do ever try to directly access the IP.
(*) and that includes subpages and folders showing up like 12.34.56.78/somepage.html
[edited by: g1smd at 1:32 pm (utc) on June 16, 2005]
I'm also once again gone for my own biz name at Google.com! I don't get it. Now, this a rollback to the screwed-up results.
>> What is the implication if you find no results for your IP? <<If you find Google has indexed your site as both the domain name and as an IP address then you need to put in a 301 redirect from the IP address to the domain name.
If you don't find the IP address in the SERPs you can do nothing, or you can put in a redirect just in case they do ever try to directly access the IP.
What if your site is not accessible by JUST an IP ALONE, as in not accessible via [123.456.789.000...] and ONLY accessible by [123.456.789.000...]
many if not all of you saying you are back to your previous SERP's.
Not me. :(
All my pages are still supplemental, and a lot of my main pages are still URL only, even one had a cache from NOV.2004.
IS it possible to know if you have a automated penalty from google? I wrote to them about this but I did not received a response from them except an automated message that talked about the fact the maybe the site was not crawled properly.
So by submitting the site map this could speed things up?
Thanks and I hope at least my site name will finally come over those linking to me ( even if no one searches for that)
Again : GoogleGuy, is it possible to be a little more precise on the subject of the end of this update, are there still majo changes expected on the DC you mentionned?
Thanks
Alex
The only way you can possibly prevent this from ever happening again is to diversify your advertising methods so that you are getting customers somewhere other than the Internet. Otherwise you'll ALWAYS be at the whim of computer glitches. Heck, there was a virus a while ago that redirected Google, Yahoo, and other search engine searches on affected computers. Traffic on our educational website totally tanked that week (most of our visitors come through search engines). It's just the way the Internet is. As far as I know you can NEVER be sure that a search engine or a directory or an ad or a big site that links to you or the Internet at large isn't going to quite randomly fail to produce referrals.
I've been eluding to this search phrase for weeks now, at THIS forum, in a thread, ABOUT GOOGLE, (while NEVER mentioning it directly), and now this forum just so happens to now be showing in the top spot. It doesn't take a top investigator to realize that is just not any coincidence. No way, no way, no way.
I can see your having a nightmare with the recent update but this is just plain crazy talk.
But, I notice the number of results returned is substantially higher than it was yesterday (say 5x), and the site coming in at #1, isn't the one that held the spot during Bourbon.
Not sure if it means anything, is anyone else is seeing something similar?
LisaB
>(Hypothetically) I think someone should come out with "Google SERP's Insurance".<
IMO, the best insurance is to create several "emergency domains" with one or two pages of content each and which are NOT cross-linked. Once you get hit by an update, you just move your contents to one of your emergency domains. Maybe an investment of less than $100 a year.
Such insurance is hereby called BOURBON INSURANCE ;-)
In my post yesterday I identified two sets of results, variant 1 and 2.
Variant 1 results were very similar to immediate post-bourbon results for my site and contained a few obvious mistakes (same site in top ten twice for instance). My site was back at it's immediately post bourbon 23.
Variant 1 has propogated overnight (in the UK) to all DC's.
Variant 2 was much better in that all obvious problems in the top ten were fixed (including putting me back on page 1.. I returned to page 1, where I have been for 5 years, about 2 weeks after Bourbon started).
Variant 2 has now dissapeared.
I predict that we will see some application of the cleaning up apparent in variant 2 from yesterday very soon.
Just put me back on page 1!
But Clint, isn't there another webmaster who was thinking the same thing when you were beating them?
just looks like a cover up job/fix for certain sites
I was very surprised to see that in your post because you've been on this for the entire time and your posts are generally balanced.
Guess I'm not the only one out here who suspects sinister motives and actions.
Placate the loudest while the rest suffer in silence?
Yahoo!
The new site didn't rank with the selected material at all. I really put them there as a "placeholder" for new content that's to come, and admittedly as a bit of a test of this theory.
The site was spidered and in as of about two weeks ago, and its not getting *any* traffic - although it did rank briefly over the original site, its lost now.
So I'm not sure the whole emergency domain thing is a good idea. Of course this is just one test, one man's opinion.
Tis just a rollback!
I've been eluding to this search phrase for weeks now, at THIS forum, in a thread, ABOUT GOOGLE, (while NEVER mentioning it directly), and now this forum just so happens to now be showing in the top spot. It doesn't take a top investigator to realize that is just not any coincidence. No way, no way, no way.I can see your having a nightmare with the recent update but this is just plain crazy talk.
So....I'm lying, or you just don't see the connection? Either way, read my post again.
>(Hypothetically) I think someone should come out with "Google SERP's Insurance".<IMO, the best insurance is to create several "emergency domains" with one or two pages of content each and which are NOT cross-linked. Once you get hit by an update, you just move your contents to one of your emergency domains. Maybe an investment of less than $100 a year.
Such insurance is hereby called BOURBON INSURANCE ;-)
Yeah I've already done that this past week. The problem with that though is will G index it, or not? (In my case it's $24 a year since I needed a different IP. You can do this in cPanel and an "add-on" domain).
I suspect a manual fix, and a somewhat sloppy one at that.
64.233.167.104
I'm happy for all the people who find themselves "reincluded" in the Google SERPs...
And if this DC represents the after-the-dust-settles SERPs, then my site is officially out of the sandbox, top 5% results for most of my KW phrases.
However, I'll say that several of the SERPs that Google produced over the last 3 or so weeks during Bourbon were much more tighter than the results produced by this DC. I'm seeing a lot of spam in my niche.
S.
Yep - normally but patience is a bit thin today.
How I mean by a fix for certain sites.
Google has had a problem for a very long while and with Bourbon lots of sites were effected (previously sites were effected but Bourbon has created much more noise)
So Google may have turned back one filter/part of the algo to before Bourbon - this is how it seems - however - they need to turn this filter/algo tweak back about 8 months or longer because sites have been messed up long before Bourbon started.
At the moment it just seems a bit harsh that the sites that have suffered the longest still have to suffer.
But - you never know it might just be that these sites have further to recover (that makes sense too) but is all very dis-heartening.
>I just want to chime in on the "emergency domain" idea; I tried this with a select section from our original site, to a new site.
The new site didn't rank with the selected material at all. I really put them there as a "placeholder" for new content that's to come, and admittedly as a bit of a test of this theory. <
Interesting though ;-)
- emergency site; was it a site that you have created with one page or two and allowed to age (possible sandboxed) before moving your contents (or part of)?
- have you moved the "old" contents gradually to the emrgency site or just in one shot?
Thanks!
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> Customers that would have normally clicked our websites in search results, ended up (after sorting through non-relevant results) clicking our competitors. These are customers we will never see.But Clint, isn't there another webmaster who was thinking the same thing when you were beating them?
I knew someone would pick that. ;) I didn't feel I needed to elaborate.
Of course, but this other "webmaster" was accustomed to his or her previous SERP's. What we are dealing with here (in these threads) is those of us that LOST G-SERP's, for it is us that are NOT accustomed to losses in G. If someone NEVER ranked well in G for any reason, they are accustomed to that. Inversely, if someone DOES, or DID rank well in G, the same is also true; they are also accustomed to that, and it is these that are the most detrimentally affected. Whereas for those competitors of ours that suddenly achieved good ranks in G, it was only "gravy".
looking at 64.233.167.104
It is nowhere near up to date. Doesn't include any of my pages that were indexed 3 days ago.And, includes a ton of non existent pages (404s).
FWIW, in a domain search at that IP, today I'm showing a date of "June 14th" in the G result. Have you tried that IP for a search of your domain or biz name?
I have a question, I wish someone could take a sec to answer this one. I've been following this update with all of you on this forum for the last month... But now that a lot of webmaster and GG announce that this is the DC that will be kept...
My problem is that on that DC my site does not exist fot its name. It is some yahoo directory with a link to my page that appears instead, according to the DC tool.
Is it just more realistic to think that my problem is more that the site is not finished to be crawled and processed, than blaming it on the algo change itself?
Maybe that'S why all my pages are supplemental, and a lot URL only?
Thanks for your opinion..
I am all out of ideas :(
Only idea I have got is to shout,swear,blame Google for everything, come up with conspiracy theories etc - that seems to have worked for some members :)
Only Joking - just very :( - I am genuinely pleased for all the people who have got their rankings back :)
Of course, but this other "webmaster" was accustomed to his or her previous SERP's. What we are dealing with here (in these threads) is those of us that LOST G-SERP's, for it is us that are NOT accustomed to losses in G. If someone NEVER ranked well in G for any reason, they are accustomed to that. Inversely, if someone DOES, or DID rank well in G, the same is also true; they are also accustomed to that, and it is these that are the most detrimentally affected. Whereas for those competitors of ours that suddenly achieved good ranks in G, it was only "gravy".
Oh my.
“How long it is going to last? well lets put it like that, I hope I’ll never have to visit this thread again”.
Dayo_UK 12:26 pm on June 16, 2005
“>>>You are killing my health.
Me too - I should really come off the tablets the docter prescribed for me in December when it first started :(“
<snip>
Remember this start: “Minor Shuffling - Incremental Indexing”
That does not imply that the green bar may no go up and down like a Jo-Jo. Where in the datatree your site (pages) will end up is perhaps up to GoogleBOT and not to GoogleGuy.
Danny 1:11 pm on June 16, 2005
“GoogleGuy wrote:
I expect the data at 64.233.167.104 to spread to other data centers in the next few days.
Yay! My review site seems to be back to normal on that datacenter. My personal site is still cactus, but hopefully that will recover next update”.
How do you interpret that statement?
KBleivik
It is too early to know the future.
[edited by: ciml at 5:57 pm (utc) on June 16, 2005]
[edit reason] Sorry, no blogs please. [/edit]
