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We need to keep this thread focused on the followings:
- Changes on your own site ranking on the serps (lost & gained positions or disappearance of the site).
- Changes you have noticed on the new serps (both google.com and your local google site) especially in regards to the nature of the top 10 or 20 ranking sites.
- Stability of the serps. I.e do you get the same serps when you run the same query within the same day or 2-3 successive days (both google.com and your local google site).
- Effective ethical measures to deal with the above mentioned changes.
Thanks.
- Do nothing as probably more changes on the way
- Subtle page changes and monitor SERP changes
- Do a 301 redirect regarding yoursite.com vs. www.yoursite.com (canonical url problem)
- Removing 302 redirects
- Removing duplicates
- Create and submit a Google Sitemap (You want Google to crawl more of your web pages)
[google.com...]
- Optimize your site for other search engines (like Yahoo, MSN ..)
- Transfer your affected site to a spare/emergency domain
Any other suggestions..please?
Some things are good on that DC......but Google still has not sorted out my canonical url issue! :(
GG - not that you want to get to drawn on this issue - am I correct in thinking that I may have to wait a bit longer as my site has been effected for longer - eg there is no way sites who have had this problem since December can come back without a good crawl at least.
>Reseller
Some things are good on that DC......but Google still has not sorted out my canonical url issue! :( <
Sorry to hear that. I guess I have to ask our good friend in the plex GoogleGuy to help you on this issue. Because you have been/are very generous in helping many fellow members on different issues.
Soooo... GoogleGuy would you be kind to help Dayo_UK. Thanks a bunch.
Worth a try :)
Just trying to understand if there is hope for me - It would not surprise me if my site took longer to come back as it has further to come back from - just very depressing that for a lot of sites the issue seems to be resolved but others are still stuck in the 100s, 200s for their company name etc.
What I am seeing is still my site not ranking for its name.
Google referrals are way up for the last two-and-a-half hours - almost at May levels.
61 out of the last 100 referrals are from google.com and google.co.uk compared with about 5 out of 100 yesterday.
But will it last?
[edited by: Hinso at 10:46 am (utc) on June 16, 2005]
What about the rest of us.
It really does look like the ones who have suffered the longest still have problems.
Sigh - not posting for a while now - as I am so depressed and dont want to say anything that I might regret.
Not made one post really criticizing Google as it is clear they have had a problem and I have patiently tried to sit it out while they sort - but hey I may aswell have joined in with all the slagging off - some good it has done me :(
I made various changes to the site over the past 2 weeks including removing a duplicate url.
Our 2/3 year old site has disappeared from the good (OK great ) positions it had yesterday.
Has the Fat Lady coughed?
Still a lot of 'Supplemental Result' in my cache
I've added new content to my site in last weeks, but poor results... for example, from #91 to #75 when i were in top ten before bourbon
Only index page has had similar referred before/during/after bourbon
i'm depressed, yet :(
Sorry for my english
I've been following a number of threads relating to 301 and 302 problems. Back in Dec. or Jan. one client's site went missing. We've looked for 302s and thought we had found all of them. Then we discovered pages going blue linked and two versions of the domain appeared. The old www vs no www. We put in place a 301 which seemed to be working. Google has spidered his site. Most pages are back with the title and description including the home page which had been missing. The only problem is none of the pages are yet showing any search results.
When I tried the inurl: and allinurl: commands to see if I could find another 302 I discovered another potential problem. Two home pages. One has the title and description and the exact same domain URL is there as a blue linked URL. Both show in each of the search command results. I'm curious if anyone else has seen this problem. Would this be why the site is still missing from the search results?
The really funny thing is a week or so ago the missing home page reappeared with the title and description. I tried a keyword search and found it on page 4. The next day all had reverted to blue links, supplemental pages and a missing home page. I've been expecting these results to reappear as usually happens in an update as Google works through the changes. They have too just not in the search results.
The main question, is there any thing I can do? Or is it all in Google's hands? Would it help to write Google at one of the addresses and ask for help. The only place the two versions of the home page show is in the inurl/allinurl commands. Only the home page with title and description show in the site command.
Thanks,
Librarian
I'm happy for all the people whio are coming back at their previous positions on google. I hope the process will continue to update a little, cause i'm not even ranking for my own name! Pages with a link to my page rank better than my own site for all the keywords! In the DC that seems to be updates, My name does not even appear in the 1000 first results: this is total crap. How is it possible to be no.1 for three years and then disappear without even an explanation!
Googleguy could maybe try to explain that!
Alex
GoogleGuy - can you please just say if I need to be a bit more patient.
I know I have a canonical url problem - rankings started to decrease December 16th - my site went url only on both the non-www and www in about early March and I put in the 301 redirect in Mid March.
I do now have the cache back on both the non-www and the www - with the non-www showing the www details (so the redirect seems to work)
But my homepage still does not rank.
If I do a search site:domain.com domain.com I would normally expect my homepage to be first - eg like WebmasterWorld:-
[google.com...]
My Homepage is not first and does not even seem to rank for that search (ok I suppose it does not need to be first as internal pages may be stronger in allintext) - I therefore assume that it has not fully recovered as internal pages are outranking the home page.
Please please - do I just need to be more patient - is this still being worked on.
Yours in hope
Dayo_UK
PS. Do others still see this situation?
Please dont miss this post - as you post in your evening I am sure there will be loads of posts after this one
To those friends who are still "suffering", please read msg#: 481 on this thread list of suggestions to deal with consequences of Bourbon Update. Good luck!
It is nowhere near up to date. Doesn't include any of my pages that were indexed 3 days ago.
And, includes a ton of non existent pages (404s).
That IP is very old data, with some new spidering overlaid on top.
However on the keywords I am tracking a lot of the results in the top 10 would be absolutely useless from a user point of view.
Well done to those who are back, perhaps patience required by those who are not.
How far back do your problems go? Pre Bourbon?
Also try a domain search in the following format:-
[google.com...]
Eg with the speech marks.
I dont even rank for that! If I do come up it is always an internal page rather than the home page.
Hmm - only 5:20am in G time so even if I get an answer it will probably be 5:00am Euro time - another sleepless night ahead :(
Much more google referrals in the last 4-5 hours.
Note to those who are still suffering. I feel your pain.
Hang in there! Look like things are changing for the better.
Just hang in there and i strongly recommend not to change a thing. G referrals are on the way up a gain for 8 web sites i monitor without me changing a single thing.
How long it is going to last? well lets put it like that, I hope I’ll never have to visit this thread again.
GG mate, would you guys stop rocking the boat too hard. You are killing my health.
Ho, and less I forget.....THANK YOU!
P.S.
The algo guys need a good longggggggg break now! (for at least 6 months. LOL.) get them bussy on new/other projects. The SERPs could use a breake now.
[edited by: max_mm at 12:41 pm (utc) on June 16, 2005]
Me too - I should really come off the tablets the docter prescribed for me in December when it first started :(
"Also try a domain search in the following format:- "
"Eg with the speech marks"
Page 3 for one site ( even an IRC chat transcript above!) Page one for the other.
Problems began 20/21st May - never bothered about Google before.
MOST were unaffected. The others stopped getting any referals from google other than images, v early june.
They were found anything between 10 and 40 pages deep for results that should be number 1 - like a sentence from my text, or title.
Just as I had given up hope, these sites went from a few hundred page views per day to a few thousand. And when I checked they are back in the google SERP at top positions. After 16 days.
So things are still changing! Dont give up yet!
:( - Almost.
Johnhh
Does not sound right to me!
Here is something that will raise some eyebrows: One of the phrases I've been monitoring, I got back to 1st on the 1st page at all the DC's I mentioned yesterday......
[64.233.161.99...]
[64.233.167.99...]
[64.233.167.104...]
[216.239.37.99...]
[216.239.37.104...]
[216.239.37.147...]
[216.239.39.99...]
[216.239.39.104...]
And these two today are also showing me back, but I was NOT in them yesterday:
[64.233.161.147...]
[64.233.161.105...]
Now today, I'm no longer 1st but 2nd on the page at ALL of the DC's for this search phrase. And, (I mentioned this a couple of days ago for one DC) guess who is now 1st on the 1st page for this important key phrase search at not only those DC's, but Google.com and these other two IP's above? WEBMASTERWORLD.COM! Now that is way beyond "coincidental"! NO WAY can ANYONE tell me that is just a coincidence, and something very questionable and perhaps even "sinister" is going on here. Why do I say that? As I indicated a few days ago when I first mentioned this, it would be like searching for example "power screwdrivers" or "pizza recipes" and finding WebmasterWorld showing up in 1st place! That is how totally irrelevant this WebmasterWorld 1st place hit is. The WebmasterWorld forum page that shows up has absolutely NOTHING to do with the phrase searched for, not even CLOSE, and again, this result is at ALL of the IP's above AND google.com. Get it? I've been eluding to this search phrase for weeks now, at THIS forum, in a thread, ABOUT GOOGLE, (while NEVER mentioning it directly), and now this forum just so happens to now be showing in the top spot. It doesn't take a top investigator to realize that is just not any coincidence. No way, no way, no way.
At any rate, having WebmasterWorld 1st for that search doesn't hurt me a bit since like I said it's a totally non-relevant hit, and no one is ever going to click it for this search, they will ignore it and click mine. So, this is still fantastic. However, it more than raises suspicion for me and it certainly raises some eyebrows. Of course, that may change over the next few days. Which brings up another area:
Is what we are seeing now across the DC's and at Google.com here to stay, or is something horrible going to happen again? Again, I hope to God for ALL of us this is here to stay since I'm seeing many if not all of you saying you are back to your previous SERP's. If so, praise God, and praise to the newly appointed canonized St. Googliani, patron Saint of Google SERP's. (LOL).
Many perhaps not all though - just looks like a cover up job/fix for certain sites. (perhaps partial roll back to cover the added mess caused by Bourbon)
Unless there is more to come.
:( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :(
Going to have to take a break from it all again
[edited by: Dayo_UK at 12:47 pm (utc) on June 16, 2005]
Another suggestion... if you're site is on a unique IP address, do a search for that. If you find any results, do a 301 redirect for that.
I added one more item from Brett's 26 steps about a month ago, static IP.
What is the implication if you find no results for your IP?
Now the billion dollar question I'm throwing out here now to GG or whomever else; how can we prevent this from ever happening again? What can we do to prevent the trashing of our websites in the future? (And PLEASE, no one say "content" or "SEO for google", etc., etc., since we all know that's not the ticket. We've all been comparing and comparing till we're bluer in the face than a smurf, and of nearly identically laid-out sites with same structures, themes, habits, codes, etc., some were trashed while others were not). There is still an undetermined common denominator here we must find.
(Hypothetically) I think someone should come out with "Google SERP's Insurance". You pay a yearly or monthly fee to maintain your G SERP's (to either G, or the not yet appointed "insurance company"), then in the event this happens again, you are paid x amount of dollars until things are back to normal again. Or, the "insurance company" pre-guarantees as per their contract to have you back to your previous positions in G within x days. Not practical? Ok, so the next best thing, or even better, is finding out WHAT WE CAN DO to PREVENT this from ever happening.
GET THIS, I just checked and I'm trashed again at Google.com! Things are still the same at the IP DC's I mentioned, but I'm gone again at Google.com searches! Well, so much for getting back our ranks! The fat lady sang or maybe hummed a few bars, but, now she's on verse 2!
