Forum Moderators: Robert Charlton & goodroi
We need to keep this thread focused on the followings:
- Changes on your own site ranking on the serps (lost & gained positions or disappearance of the site).
- Changes you have noticed on the new serps (both google.com and your local google site) especially in regards to the nature of the top 10 or 20 ranking sites.
- Stability of the serps. I.e do you get the same serps when you run the same query within the same day or 2-3 successive days (both google.com and your local google site).
- Effective ethical measures to deal with the above mentioned changes.
Thanks.
>No prob if I decide finally to go ahead and it works!<
Thanks. Much appreciated.
>Just been talking to an Affiliate Manger in a certain European country. Most of their UK sites have been affected. As a post above - the people posting here could be only the "tip of the iceburg"<
For few years ago, I had been heavily involved in some specific grassroots work for affiliate programs. And I can imagine their suffering now as result of Bourbon and I'm sad for that.
Maybe somebody somewhere shall start a new grassroots movement to bring a balance to the equation of Google vs The People. Who Knows.
Wow I'm back on all of these! But I do wonder if it's an update or a roll back. Are the people who just got out of the sandbox on these. That would give us an idea if these are new or just old results.
>added< BillyS if you are still out of the sandbox then these results must be new.
Geez I hope this is the correction. I want to go back to having a life outside of the Internet.
<<<<216.239.37.104
216.239.39.104
Back on the above too but where and when are these from? >>>>>
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I just checked these DCs and yup, I'm back on top magically for a coupla key phrases for which I'd disappeared at the Bourbon Beginning. Haven't checked any other key phrases yet.
(fingers are being crossed)
I second the idea - I would like a "101" for transferring a site to a emergency or another domain for Google. I would like to know if this would be effective and how to block Google from seeing the old site. Also, would Google see this as duplicate content if not blocked correctly?
It is amazing. I checked our traffic logs for December. On one given day we received over 16,000 visitors from Google. We are now down to about 200 per day. It seems that Google is trying to totally eliminate any results for our site from the SERPS. We are all white hat informational site with unique articles. We were even selected as a test site for Adsense beta functionality. Yahoo, MSN, and ASK still provide great traffic. Altavista has now officially passed Google in number of refs.
I'd also like to know more about this. What I did was.....
I had some field related domain names that I (now) have 301'd to my main domain. I took one of these domains and made it an "add-on" in cPanel (part of my current hosting package) and I will copy my pages, images, downloads, etc., on my main domain over to it (if this BS doesn't sort itself out that is). I'm getting a different IP for this new add-on because I have reason to believe something bad can possibly be said for similar sites on the same IP (for which G has no business penalizing). Whatever pages G doesn't "like", I'm putting a disallow googlebot meta tag in the <head> tag of those pages. Now can anyone tell me if that is enough, or do I somehow need to put the pages' paths along with a disallow for the googlebot in my robots.txt file? I also may block the g-bot from the ENTIRE domain (either the new one or my current one), I haven't decided yet. I also may instead get a new IP for my current domain, and leave the IP on this domain the same as my current one. Haven't decided on that either.
When I first saw these I check my domain name - first time #1 since December (recently around #260). Then I checked my given name (~#780 recently) and my site was also #1 - first time ever!
I then checked some phrases that I do well on Yahoo with, same thing - top 10 positions. I checked back with Mcdar's tool and this is spreading to other DCs.
For those that are wondering, my site had been in the sandbox since June. So this would be roughly 12 months in the box for me. I also suspected that my site had been hijacked because the top listing under the domain name was doing a 302 to my site. As I had mentioned here before I was not going to do anything about the possible hijacking, I was counting on Google figuring it out.
I had placed a reinclusion request back in March / April and I got a standard response. I had also done a 301 (non-www to www) back in September because I noticed that my PR was being split. Obviously I hope this is the real deal. It is not a rollback.
Annoying things for me is my site has gone the other way for that type of check.
Not a happy chappy at the mo :(
Pages are coming back as G seems to be pulling supplementals from ages ago though.
64.233.167.104
64.233.167.99
216.239.37.104
216.239.39.104
Wow I'm back on all of these! But I do wonder if it's an update or a roll back. Are the people who just got out of the sandbox on these. That would give us an idea if these are new or just old results.
Annej, in my case no, all of my sites trashed have been around for several years, and I'm back in all those IP's, but no others nor google.com here.
Maybe somebody somewhere shall start a new grassroots movement to bring a balance to the equation of Google vs The People. Who Knows.
Reseller, I think that's sort of what we are doing here.? I know I and several others have certainly alluded to it--although I hope it won't have to come to that.
(I can just see that on a court docket: "The People Vs. Google". Sounds better than "Google Vs. The People"). ;)
>>>>When I first saw these I check my domain name - first time #1 since DecemberAnnoying things for me is my site has gone the other way for that type of check.
Not a happy chappy at the mo
So how about your search phrases? Hopefully much better. That's what's important. Personally I could care that much about where I show for my biz name, as long as it's on the first page. Logically, SURE, we all should be 1st on the 1st page for our biz names, but I know of no one that would search for a product by searching for a company's name. They are going to be searching for what they want to purchase, or find information on. I'm still nowhere to be found for my biz name search at Google.com, only the IP addresses I mentioned, (where I'm also back for search phrases I checked).
I then checked some phrases that I do well on Yahoo with, same thing - top 10 positions. I checked back with Mcdar's tool and this is spreading to other DCs.
Billy, unfortunately I don't see that with my search phrases with that tool. When I "dot" any of the options:
-6 New Datacenters Found!
-Check across Datacenter IP C-Block(Group A)
-Check across Datacenter IP C-Block(Group B)
I'm either no where to be found, or many hundreds back in the index. The one exception I see now is 64.233.161.147 where I'm 1st for a search phrase when I dot "6 New Datacenters Found". So maybe that's another DC to watch. I'm also getting different results with the www and without the www on my domain.
My, this is stressful. Watching these DC's is akin to watching a horse race on which you've bet your life savings. I think I better call it an early day.
[edited by: Clint at 3:46 pm (utc) on June 15, 2005]
What do you see on these 3 DCs regarding your site?
64.233.167.104
64.233.167.99
64.233.167.147
64.233.167.104
64.233.167.99
64.233.167.147
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Awesome on those, those are some I mentioned earlier and they are still showing me 1st for biz name and some other searches.
>64.233.167.104
64.233.167.99
64.233.167.147
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Awesome on those, those are some I mentioned earlier and they are still showing me 1st for biz name and some other searches.<
GREAT..so there is still a hope at least ;-)
That's what's important. Personally I could care that much about where I show for my biz name, as long as it's on the first page.
Because once they sort that out I may start to believe that G have fixed canonical url issues. (At the moment I tempted to say they have run a fix for recently effected domains or something - but I will wait a bit longer - have been waiting 6 months after all.)
That's what's important. Personally I could care that much about where I show for my biz name, as long as it's on the first page.
Because once they sort that out I may start to believe that G have fixed canonical url issues. (At the moment I tempted to say they have run a fix for recently effected domains or something - but I will wait a bit longer - have been waiting 6 months after all.)
I definitely hear you there and that could be the case, it makes sense. So, what about your search phrases?
>but I will wait a bit longer - have been waiting 6 months after all.<
"He was willing to wait and his patience shall be rewarded"
However Google responds to reinclusion requests in three ways: the first is an immediate answer YES; the second is a definite NO and third is WAIT ;-)
These DC's show different results for me:
[Variant 1]
Bad for me... looks a bit like my immediate post-bourbon results so could well be a roll-back.
66.102.11.104
216.239.59.104
216.239.59.105
216.239.59.99
66.102.11.99
[Variant 2]
New results only noticed today.
216.239.37.105
216.239.37.147
216.239.39.99
216.239.37.99
When I look at the cache it's showing my actual domain.
This makes me hypothesize that we are witnessing forward movement, not a rollback.
Seattle Tom
I wouldn't disrespect you if I didn't respect you so much.
I just did a search and although that index probably has an up to date algorithm, PR, backlinks, etc, as seen by the fact that one site I look at regularly has been at #3 for years and is now at #7 for the last week, and is also #7 in those results... I did another search and the results included pages that have not existed for 6 months, included pages that changed their content 6 months ago, and so no longer should appear in that particular search, and I see that the Cache Date for those pages is more than 6 months old (whereas in other datacentres the cache is only a few days or a couple of weeks old).
Wonder if this is something to do with fixing the redirect hell they created a few months ago?
They must be working on something...I guess - the only person from the plex who gives us any feedback has gone very quiet though - perhaps he does not know about this thread as it is not in the active topics anymore :(
:( ::Sigh:: :(
Looks like we have been cut adrift.
It is similar to the last weeks dominant results but has fixed one big problem (one site had both it's front page and inner page showing) and very slightly rearranged the rest of us.
I would be happy with it if it proliferated across the dcs.
These DC's are now showing fantastic results for me. Back to the pre-May 21st nightmare except for a few phrases.
[64.233.161.99...]
[64.233.167.99...]
[64.233.167.104...]
[216.239.37.99...]
[216.239.37.104...]
[216.239.37.147...]
[216.239.39.99...]
[216.239.39.104...]
Hopefully all of us are seeing great results or pre-Bourbon results on those. Now will any of these IP's every propagate to Google.com (in the USA)? THAT is the question.
Seems like the whole algorithm has changed and its rules are completely different from the other major SE's.
Frankly, having to do 2 sites, one for google and one for the rest of the world sounds like a big, frickin' pita - I should be writing and editing content for readers, not tweaking code for a search engine that's not going to benefit from my information!
Yes, it's absolutely ridiculous and sure as hell should not be necessary.
