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Google Update Bourbon Part 3

         

Sweet Cognac

8:35 pm on May 27, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Continued From:

[webmasterworld.com...]



My whole site has a new cache date of May 25th. Maybe once these other sites around me get recached, I won't hold such an honorable top position. But at least Google has found my pages worthy to sit in the Search again.:) It seems strange to look at the stats and see Google in there, after 6 months of just seeing Yahoo and MSN referrals.

My website has plenty of outbound links, but they are on relevant pages. The problem my site has always had, was a lack of "inbound links." I got tired of searching for people to link to me (with all the spammy sites around) and gave up. So my pages have acquired some links naturally I guess(and I'll bet I still don't have more than 30 inbound links for the whole site) Still have a PR4, which I've had since it disappeared in Nov.

[edited by: Brett_Tabke at 8:54 pm (utc) on May 27, 2005]

reseller

6:47 am on May 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

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annej

> I do much more internal linking on the larger site that is still doing well. That is the only thing I can think of.<

And it seems that internal linking is a very important factor, at present.

As I mentioned in a previous post, I thinks the more internal links the page contains the more "protected" and "Google respected" it is.

With a high number of internal links on a page, you can also list high number of outbound links (though maximum less than 100 and equal or less than the number of internal links) on a page without the page loosing its position on the serps. But of course, I canīt say that its a general rule ;-)

MikeNoLastName

7:18 am on May 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Now I'm convinced G really is broken.
I just discovered one of my pages which dropped drastically, is indexed TWICE in the index. Which would acccount for a duplicate penalty, and I would fully accept as my booboo, except...
It's indexed once as itself and once as the URL of the ancient page which was redirected to it (same domain, different file name) over 3 years ago and has been ever since! I found this by doing an allinurl: on the full address of the current page which was dumped. It's definitely a 301 in the .htaccess redirecting it. If you click on the listing in google it goes straight to the new page. Best of all... the cache on the ancient page listing...
[ dramatic pause]
... is dated: Sep 27, 2004!

Folks, I think it's time for G to hang it up and put things back to how they were. I don't think there's much else WE Webmasters can humanly do. I thought about doing an urgent URL removal, but decided it'll probably just do more damage to their database than good at this point.

[edited by: MikeNoLastName at 7:24 am (utc) on May 30, 2005]

steveb

7:23 am on May 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

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"Sep 27, 2004"

Interesting. As I recall, every page I dealt with in removing URLs involving my hijacked domain was cached within a week of that date. I thought it was just a coincidence because my www/non-www 301 was off at that time but maybe it is more sinister.

reseller

7:25 am on May 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Mike

>It's indexed once as itself and once as the URL of the ancient page which was redirected to it over 3 years ago and has been ever since!<

Have you remembered to add the following meta tag to the ancient page:

<META NAME="ROBOTS" CONTENT="NOINDEX, FOLLOW">

MikeNoLastName

7:27 am on May 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

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This page, as far as I know, wasn't even ever hijacked. The redirect is/was through my own domain! this extra listing was never there, or at least wasn't affecting anything, until THIS update.

Reseller,
The old page doesn't/hasn't existed since 2002. The cache showing up for the ancient page appears to be the current page in Sept 2004.

Since 2003 my .htaccess has included an entry like:
Redirect 301 ancient-page current-page

[edited by: MikeNoLastName at 7:32 am (utc) on May 30, 2005]

reseller

7:31 am on May 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

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One of my pages which was 302 hijacked is still there when run allinurl:

Its cache also showing

"26 Sep 2004 08:27:08 GMT."

I have removed the content of my own page to another new page, and kept the old hijacked page redirecting to the new page. Did that after trying all what I could to remove that cache, unsuccessfully.

Slone

7:35 am on May 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Nevermind ;)

deleted post - my call

[edited by: Slone at 7:37 am (utc) on May 30, 2005]

MikeNoLastName

7:35 am on May 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Did that work to get it back ranking?
Did you try the urgent URL remove on the old cache?
Did you try resubmitting the ancient page for indexing?

I found there were still a few backlinks to the ancient page and have changed them, so theoretically at some point between Sept and now the old page should have been spidered.

jaffstar

7:41 am on May 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

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What a pretty site, Google.com with a grayed out PR bar :) Love it!

This update is far from over. It’s too early to start with post mortems i.e. how many links out /adsense etc.

There are so many variables that no one is mentioning, that we simply can't.

Analyzing 56 Google DC's, we STILL see two different Algorithms in operation. And it's 50/50 Algo1/Algo2.

Algo2, on [64.233.163.104,...] ranks my site at the top, to similar positions where it's ranked in Y and M. I would say some penalty is relaxed on Algo2, possibly a link devaluation penalty (sandbox).

Most of the top 10 remain constant in both these Algo's with a specific kw, however one contains my site, one does not.

reseller

7:48 am on May 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

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MikeNoLastName

>Did that work to get it back ranking?<

Actually i created the new page for few days ago, and google hasnīt indexed the new page yet. Shall keep you posted once its indexed.

>Did you try the urgent URL remove on the old cache?<

Yes. Before creating the new page, I removed the ancient page using google removal tool successfully. But the hijacked page (with hijacker url) together with the old cache is still there.

>Did you try resubmitting the ancient page for indexing?<

No.

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