Forum Moderators: Robert Charlton & goodroi
i hope we can find the commonality in the missing sites, so we can collectively arrive at a conclusion as to why we are MIA. we need to get proactive.
WebFusion, how do you determine most of us did not diversify or are not putting enough time to other things or more attention to other SE like yahoo or MSN.
You're absolutely right, I should have been more clearly. My comments were directed to those who have based their entire livelihood on the whims of a company over which they have zero control. Kind of "if the shoe fits" situation ;-)
for many that was the biggest mistake. Following rules=bankruptcy with Google these days. The days of being honest and build and they will come are gone.
Yawn. You must be kidding. SImply because a hadful of sites go (probably temporarily) MIA for a bit, it's time to start spamming/cloaking [insert black hat method of your choice] to make ends meet. yep, sounds like a GREAT long term solution.
I'm still waiting for the doom and gloomers to explain why not a single one of thousands of "white-hat" websites have been affected negatively.
Here is what insulates one from the search engines:A high number of regular visitors who bookmark and use your site.
Spot on. We currently enjoy an over 20% repeat customer rate. In fact, it sometimes takes dyas before we notice any kind of slide in "free" traffic.
Is it possible that this disappearing site issue might be a bug introduced inadvertantly by this update?
Definitely a possibly, I'm sure we all remember the "disappearing index page" threads a while back (which was indeed a bug). Having said that, when it occurred to us once, we were back in 5-6 weeks or so...no big deal.
its pathetic that my life depends a great deal on google, but that isn't so bad.
Not so bad to be pathetic...I think that's the quote of the thread!
natural number:
i'm getting about 30% less traffic
Very consistent numbers on my site for the drop in visitors following this Google update :
(compared to the average of the same day, previous 3/4 weeks) (actual visitor numbers in 4 figures daily)
On the previous Monday morning I had just instituted a mod_rewrite into httpd.conf to 301 old sub-domains from some years back into the current domain (www.mysite.host.net => www.mysite.com), thinking that the continued existence of these sub-domain SERPS was causing a duplicate penalty in Google. When this drop first showed up it was `oh-my-God-what-have-I-done'. It was quite a relief to discover that the drop had nothing to do with my actions. I think.
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WebFusion:
I'm still waiting for the doom and gloomers to explain why not a single one of thousands of "white-hat" websites have been affected negatively.
You are kidding, right?
You are kidding, right?
Yes, i think he's sure is.
I have 7 sites in total. The ones greatly affected (3 of them) are about or a littel less then one year old. The rest (“old sites”)continue to receive steady traffic +-10% no major hit there.
My entire network consist of white-hat sites with approx 20-25% return (bookmark) visitors. This new algo has/seams to have something to do with new sites (again).
I’m getting these wiled fluctuations on them for some time now. Traffic peaks of 4000 visitors p/day for a couple of weeks and then back to 0 visitors for a month and then a trickle and a flood and round and round it goes.
This must have something to do with "go Adsense" hint then google worrying about the quality of serps.
I bet most webmasters who experience such spikes get them on a year or less old sites.
This is how it looks to me from analysing my states anyway…
First of all news.google is not a "scraper site", its a news portal and search engine that links to the other news sites.
Secondly if google wanted to... they could redirect every search for "news" directly to thier news portal (doubt thats gonna ever happen, but you get my point).
Last I checked news.google.com was a great portal with no ads whatsoever.
Since this site makes its income from Adsense. Free search engine traffic is the only way to go. PPC, affiliate program and other forms of advertising are out of bounds.
To the people whining about the "news" results
I emphasized the point, not complaining about it, sir!
On the .37.99 address my site was back for part of then the, but it seems to be dissappearing again. Were those the old results, or something different?
I think we should wait till everything is finished and then make some conclusions. My site is NOT optimised at all and I do not have any serious competitors. It is very clean and follows all Google rules.
hope so.
i think i see what google are trying to do.
as has been mentioned here before, allow sites to establish themseleves within (6/9months) not rank them under their industries leading keyword phrases, let them rank under obscure terms etc. after that time has passed do a update like this one and allow those sites in.
during that 6/9 months of being in the lobby, google could evaluate that site and penalize it if it's not playing by there guidelines.
if they are doing something like this, it's an ok method. of course you will always have sites that will slip through the system / try to manipulate there serp's all the time.
my 2 cents + gst.
Lovely stuff, Google.
Back to the drawing board ;-)
I'm not going to agonize over it by spending weeks trying to track why Almighty Google doesn't like the site - I'm simply going to concentrate on getting quality backlinks and capitalize on the excellent results I get with MSN and Yahoo.
