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- Google today slapped a huge spam network - after my 20th report.
- I sent a request to yahoo and this morning they answered my mail (!) and told me that they've now added my (2) sites after a delay of 12 months and after 12 submits.
- ... and now this Yahoo! deal that'll be great for the market and for the demonopolization of the se market.
What a happy christmas! :-)
Will Yahoo Shopping, juiced up with Inktomi Index Connect technology, send Froogle packing?
Will MSN give Inktomi the boot, and if so, what happens to the Inktomi PFI ROI? The Ink PFI ROI will all depend on what Yahoo does with Inktomi. We all assume Yahoo will slip Inktomi into search.yahoo in place of Google, but maybe there will be some mix where the Ink PFI customers wind up taking one in the behind again.
Will Yahoo find it worth the hassle to support the Ink partners including <gasp> MSN? My bet is that within a year's time all the Ink partners are no longer partners for one reason or another (competition, ROI, buracracy, etc.) and that Yahoo is focussing on Ink as an in-house engine only. And it will be easy for the Ink partners to jump ship since Ink has been running under their hood in a manner that an engine swap will hardly be noticed by many of the partners' users.
Is this a done deal, or can MSN still come running in with a wad of cash and bump Yahoo?
I hate to see all the changes continuing in the search engine industry, but someone did need to clip Google's wings a bit. Looks like the Google monopoly is about to be served up at the local Kentucky Fried, unless MSN comes in as their white knight.
What's the chance MSN will cozy up to Alltheweb for their 'web pages' backfill, or more? MSN might pull off their own coup d'etat by picking the Fast plum.
I thought when Y! made Google results its default page, the concensus was that other, yet unnamed, results would supplement the Google results. Why is this such a shocker?
I kinda feel the same way as you, lawman. I guess it's a shocker because there's been so little drama in the SE world lately, and this may appear to bring some drama back into the mix.
But as far as I'm concerned, Y will be mistaken to completely replace Google until and unless Inktomi's results relevancy improves dramatically.
joined:Dec 8, 2002
Go Yahoo, go Ink! Good luck Google, you're still alright but I wanna see you sweat ;)!
I want 5 monthly dances, not one! Go FAST - you engine people go make nice and make room for each other coz I'm bored whatching the same old Google referrals.
Hopefully I'll see some newcomers on my referral logs now!
Yahoo! has been making many moves in the past couple of years - trying as much as possible to squeeze some money from their members. Be that through affiliate popups, advertising, or premiere versions of free services.
Yahoo's users though are used to one level of quality search results. Hell, I'd go out on a limb and say that in many cases, Google's results through Yahoo! were better than that of the directory itself. Lets face it, with the right engineering, a machine can easilt beat out humans. Not too far fetched to say that GoogleBot took on the endless supply of Yahoo! editors, and won out.
Regardless of that though - Inktomi's results at this point in time fail miserably in comparison to Googles. I read a great article published on Friday forecasting what could happen if Yahoo and Ink hooked up. Scary that I find this has happened today though.
In a nutshell - Ink'slevel of search results are simply of lesser value. If Yahoo! plans on using them, I think a major algorithmic change needs to take place.
joined:Feb 8, 2002
I am still puzzled why FROOGLE came on the scene?. May be it is not TOO LATE for FROOGLE to be withdrawn and foster relationship with Yahoo!.
A company buying something does not mean much. It could work out to Google's advantage if all YAHOOO does is let Ink die faster. That could well happen if GOOGLE makes some smarter marketing moves here fast!. Killing FROOGLE will only a step in the right direction, me thinks:)
I disagree i think whats happened is that yahoo have taken a step back-wards looked at the industry and re-aligned itself.
Yahoo as a SE is still in the top three imho okay everybody knows that there SERP's are coming from google so why both using them just go to the source Google.
what Yahoo is doing is giving the surfer a option which they never had before, this could be googles downfall.
Yahoo version of googles SERP's has always been slightly cleaner why, Yahoo's spam filters are better suited. okay ink has had it problems in the past but under yahoo's guiding hand and filters I think they are on to a winner.
just have to wait for yahoo to complete the agrees terms in the google/yahoo contract and we should start to see ink results, just in case we had forgot about all the other yahoo's uk,dk etc switching to google SERP's remember yahoo has to provide google traffic at an agree annual amount.
PageRank is a human factor. However, it's an aggregate human factor.
Yahoo used dozens to hundreds of editors on the payroll fulltime, and does a decent job.
Dmoz uses hundres to thousands of editors part time as volunteers. For some things that people are happy to volunteer, they do a great job, for others, its corrupt and awful.
Google uses the computer tech to guess what a page is, with decent accuracy. However, they use an army of all web publishers to determine that validity of it.
Google news is impressive, because they've taken the results of dozens of editors and combined it. Any editor withholding their news loses traffic, so no individual can block it. No cartel will work because people will cheat.
However, it isn't machine >> humans, its hundreds of humans >> 1 human selected randomly.
Doesn't Google have a signed long-term contract with Yahoo? I wouldn't look to Yahoo dispensing with Google quite yet. Both Ink and Google results, perhaps. Which as Lawman said, is no surprise. We've been waiting for that to happen anyway.
<<One way of looking at the deal could be; big company not very good at search buys smaller company not very good at search>>
...Yes, good observation. Well, if nothing else this move sure was a jolt. It will be interesting to see how all this pans out. I haven't yet had enough coffee to be able to speculate on the possibilities. Later, maybe. ;)
Yahoo is still a top 3 SE and IMHO will continue to be as long as they continue to advertise and provide good results.
Since when has Yahoo ever had an SE? So long as I knew, they've used someone elses. A directory, sure, they've got that. An acutal SE? I've yet to see it.
This will definitely do it, because Yahoo is such a major player. We now have 2 search engines that will be important. The big question now is what MSN will do?