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No way back into AOL for INK, MSN will not be happy to say the least and the Google people [although I'm sure they saw it coming] will not be best pleased either.
Looks to me that Y! have just opened the door for Google to go toe to toe with them. I can only see one winner.
One way of looking at the deal could be; big company not very good at search buys smaller company not very good at search ;)
Msn doesn't have the traffic yahoo does. If ink loses msn it still means more eyeballs.
Also, this AP article [library.northernlight.com] from October makes the point that the recently signed Google/Yahoo deal, "doesn't prevent Yahoo from using search results from other providers."
and this is 1 of those Corporate Deals which has more to do with "Wall Street" and less to do with "Web Search"
just my 2 rupees worth.
Shak
Start breaking in $300 per site for you budgets next year
Hopefully the Inktomi submit will stay at $25, making it a reasonable way to stay in Yahoo without the mandatory $299 Yahoo submit cost.
Very interesting news, however. The SEO world is dumped on it's head again...
Also i don't think Google will buy Dmoz, when they use it for free.
And Dmoz is owned by Netscape, and Netscape is owned by Aol, and Aol is co-op with TimeWarner, it goes on so i think that's a "no"
Google to acquire the ODP.
Don't go there...! ;);)
Nick
Yes, I view this as a lateral move in current traffic, perhaps even a slight up-tick. But, we REALLY need a broadening of the SE gene-pool, lack of algo-diversity is deadly.
Nick
what can i say but bloody hell!
Ladies and Gentlemen, in the Blue corner we have Google and in the Red we have Yahoo,
Get your seats early, the bookies is open, and i will be taking all bets.
[edited by: caine at 3:28 pm (utc) on Dec. 23, 2002]
Google should buy somebody just to cause some ruckus :D
Google doesn't need to buy somebody to start a ruckus. I think 2003 will be the year Google finally goes public.
Look at the moves Google made this fall:
- Foogle.
- News.
It's all setup.
Next stop, a full service portal.
Nick
inktomi is more important than ever now:)
Concidering that Overture is a partner of Inktomi I don't think they would drop them.
"[About Inktomi]The company's customers and partners include Amazon.com, eBay, Lycos/HotBot, MSN, Overture and WalMart.com."--Inktomi PRESS RELEASE
Overture receives it's secondary search results from Inktomi
>I wonder how MSN will react to that
MSN also gets it's secondary results from Inktomi. So I don't think they will mind all that much. as long as the results stay the same or better.
Maybe Yahoo couldn't afford Google and went shopping. If Google is for sale MSN has some very deep pockets.
I think Microsoft buying Google isn't now nearly as far-fetched as it was yesterday. MSN is going to have to go to Wisenut at the least.
[edited to add: or maybe FAST?]
[edited by: TomWaits at 3:40 pm (utc) on Dec. 23, 2002]
They obviously made themselves a nice, fat target for a buy-out!
Personally, I'm glad that the whole SE world isn't so tied up with the seemingly impenetrable Google. Please don't take this down to be used in evidence against me when Yahoo hike the INK PFI though!
Hopefully this will shake everything up, with prices going down, and competition going up.
Google's made its move, now yahoo, all that's left is MSN, at this scale of SE entreprise, though there has been talk of IBM getting into the action.
I'm really looking forward to the year to come, things are really starting to look bright!
though there has been talk of IBM getting into the action.
I would like to see clever make an appearence next year. I think this is bad for Google. I don't see them really competing with Yahoo short term. Both Yahoo and MSN have ISP aspects. AOL really does have a market share and we should expect that from Yahoo and MSN. Ink was in death throws. I am glad to see that they got their stuff together.
Bills nightmares are filled with visions of linux, not Google.
If they really are looking at Macromedia, I don't think Google would be on a purchase order for next year. To much anti trust issues to buy both those huge web players.
Come on Linux!
But i detect, that you believe its a purely financial move from Yahoo, rather than yahoo, dropping Google SERPS and using ink's. That being said then i can't disagree with what you are saying.
I was taking the angle of MSN thinking that Yahoo, would start using Ink serps, which is logical for MSN to do something about.
But it could be all about Yahoo wishing to drop overture, and provide itself with its own lisings from ink, which it will pay a cost price (due to ownership), and over the long term save itself money, and provide its own PFI instead of a partners PPC listings.
I suppose its a bit to early to tell how this will break, and the rationale behind it, though yahoo, choose the appropriate time, as the world goes to sleep for x-mas/new year duration, very clever PR move - let them stew - as in us lot and the press, and competitors
