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Update Saga. Part 5

         

Brett_Tabke

8:26 pm on Nov 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

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What say you?

Over and done with?

All done all through?

Eazygoin

12:27 pm on Nov 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Tigger >>

Why should a site not have reciprocal links on it, IF they are useful for the viewer?
Joining link farms is one thing, but a selection of relevant to content reciprocal links is a natural way to provide valid content for users.
The mistake many people make is by accepting any and all reciprocal requests, thinking it will validate their website. Content shoud be relevant, and that includes a selection of reciprocals. The fact that Google does not value reciprocals as much as one ways is irrelevant,if the reciprocals help your visitors.

PS. I am REALLY enjoying ths forum today, as everyone is being so relaxed and offering some objective opinions. Thanks!

LostOne

12:31 pm on Nov 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

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"I am talking about layout of the content. Much of it is duplicate and has to be duplicate. How may ways can you describe 12,000 Christmas ornaments? You make a template and add the unique data"

You guys must have some other kind of problem. I first started hearing about this a few months back and did some google searches for some of our unique products. Many of them didn't show up, but some did. I was also considering making changes but didn't. Then I picked up a little tidbit somewhere here about having your product pages too deep for Google to get to. Anotherwords if they have to follow too many paths they won't go further.

For example:

Index page> Widgets> Large Widgets> Green Widgets

The green widgets product would rarely show until I shortened the path. Now they sit niclely at the top of the SERPS in quite a few cases. The only question is if they'll continue to be seen there.

The pages I'm referring to only have differences of a product sku # and product description.

tigger

12:37 pm on Nov 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

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>Why should a site not have reciprocal links on it, IF they are useful for the viewer?

I 100% agree with you, but something that I've noticed is sites that have been not touched and not got involved with linking are ranking - where as sites that have had link development work seem to be losing out - so its a case of 1 & 1 = 2 or maybe my maths is off, just trying to get a handle on this

Gimp

12:48 pm on Nov 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Thank you lost one. I am looking for solutions.

Can you tell me what your duplicate content percentage is? I use a Similar Page Checker. I would post the URL but I am not sure it is legal to do it here. If you send me sticky mail I will send the URL.

From the sticky mail I have gotten, I am not the only one in this boat.

Eazygoin

12:51 pm on Nov 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I think the concept of probabilty is very interesting. Let's take a site where the main keyword is 'xyz' and the search results are 594,000 results. The probability of being indexed at nmber one are :

1 / 594000 * 100 % = 0.00017 %

Thats assuming all search result pages are of equal content and quality.

We, as webmasters, want to increase the probability substantially, and for that reason we try our hardest to make the web pages more search engine friendly, aswell as maintaining quality content for our users.

Eazygoin

12:59 pm on Nov 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I am not sure if this url will show or not, but Google has advice on SEO, including comments on doorway pages. If it doesn't show up, sticky me and I'll send you the URL.
[google.com ]

LostOne

1:11 pm on Nov 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

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"Can you tell me what your duplicate content percentage is?"

99%

jaffstar

1:39 pm on Nov 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

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If you find www and non-www issues, throw up a 301 redirect immediately

*edited* found the solution.

Gimp

1:49 pm on Nov 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Lost One.

Thank you. I am at 78% duplication and they are at main/category/product .

I am not so much interested in having the page show as much as I am in not being penalized. It appears that the entire category has been dropped or penalized due to the duplication in the product pages.

For example, I could care if 150 mm, round, hand painted Christmas balls is in the top of the search engine. But if I have 200 different pages for 150 mm, round, hand painted Christmas balls, each painted in different patterns, that get me a duplication penalty and cause me to lose page rank for my important pages, then I am concerned.

Your comment about shortening up the path to the page is interesting as for important pages, however.

The Contractor

2:32 pm on Nov 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I 100% agree with you, but something that I've noticed is sites that have been not touched and not got involved with linking are ranking - where as sites that have had link development work seem to be losing out - so its a case of 1 & 1 = 2 or maybe my maths is off, just trying to get a handle on this

Yes, I have noticed those sites requiring a recip link and those having a high % of recips are hurting.... I know many people will not like that if it's true, but it was only a matter of time before the agressive recip linkers got caught. If I can map out recip links on sites/networks and such, I'm sure it's easy enough for Google to do it. I don't believe they are penalizing those sites - they are simply discounting those links and the sites rank where they would without them. In a nutshell if 98% of your links are recips - you lost 98% of your links. With the toolbar PR update I think they are trying to discourage link hunters.

I'm not hurting on any site as I never got involved with recip/hunting links (I don't spend the time and wouldn't trust anyone else with that job).

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