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Update Saga. Part 5

         

Brett_Tabke

8:26 pm on Nov 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

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What say you?

Over and done with?

All done all through?

JudgeJeffries

11:53 am on Nov 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Tigger,
I've noticed the same thing.
I have a number of 'reserve sites' that just meander along, waiting, just in case any of my main sites is banned or penalised, and I need to develop them quickly as a replacement. They've been there for years with no reciprocal linking, not much content and no seo but they have aquired a few one ways along the way and they are now doing a lot better.
I would have said that these problems are all about reciprocal linking but one of my main competitors does lots and lots and they appear to be unscathed.

Eazygoin

11:54 am on Nov 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Miop>>

It seems that being contraversial on this forum, as I sometimes am, makes for some very intesting comments. Thanks for your input.

I run a site that has the same layout on all product pages, BUT the content is different on every page. Also, the URL includes the keywords of the product.

I hate the idea of praising ones own success on here, but to make my point, my website is doing extremelly well, with many keywords in either number 1 position, or in the first 5. My site is bespoke, in that it was written specifically for me, and took 7 months to make. But everything, and I mean everything on the site, conforms to search engine requirements. More importantly, it conforms to my customers requirements, and I believe the issue of content for viewers is my number one consideration. Search engine requirements is a close second, and diversification to other forms of marketing comes next.

Gimp

12:00 pm on Nov 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Layout and content seem to be two different things in your approach.

I am talking about layout of the content. Much of it is duplicate and has to be duplicate. How may ways can you describe 12,000 Christmas ornaments? You make a template and add the unique data. The customer wants that and you just can't go through life making a unique page for each christmas ornament.

Eazygoin

12:02 pm on Nov 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Judge Jeffries >>

Like many webmasters, I did some reciprocal linking in the beginning, to get my site off the ground. However, I was extremelly selective ,and only reciprocated on valid and relevant links that conformed to my content. I only have about 70 of these, and the vast majority of links I have come from directories, or natural one way inbound links to my site. I now have thousands of these, partly because of articles I write, but mainly because of the interest in my site, and also partly from blogs.

I have left the reciprocals onboard, simply because i believe they are of interest to the sites viewers, and NOT to increase PR.

Miop

12:02 pm on Nov 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

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< Miop>>

It seems that being contraversial on this forum, as I sometimes am, makes for some very intesting comments. Thanks for your input.

I run a site that has the same layout on all product pages, BUT the content is different on every page. Also, the URL includes the keywords of the product.>

I've just checked two section pages on my site - they are totally different product sections and both pages rank highly for allinanchor (one ranks at number 1, one at number 3). The page at number 3 is fine and ranks at number three in the index - the page that should be at number 1 ranks at 350. It looks like one has been 'filtered' because G thinks it is too much the same. The similar content checker reckons they are 9% the same.
For me, the solution will have to be (yet another) total site rebuild using different software. Ho hum.

<I hate the idea of praising ones own success on here, but to make my point, my website is doing extremelly well, with many keywords in either number 1 position, or in the first 5. My site is bespoke, in that it was written specifically for me, and took 7 months to make. But everything, and I mean everything on the site, conforms to search engine requirements. More importantly, it conforms to my customers requirements, and I believe the issue of content for viewers is my number one consideration. Search engine requirements is a close second, and diversification to other forms of marketing comes next>

I took that approach too - my site conforms to my customers requirements - they are always teling me how easy it is to navigate compared to other sites - a shame that it may be that which has caused my site to suffer!

tigger

12:05 pm on Nov 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

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>I would have said that these problems are all about reciprocal linking but one of my main competitors does lots and lots and they appear to be unscathed.

JJ, thats the daft thing about this update competitors of mine that are still ranking well and I know are involved with buying links in from other sites all hitting the same term and his sites have been untouched by this update, you start thinking you get a handle on this then a little research blows it clear out the water

Miop

12:07 pm on Nov 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

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< Layout and content seem to be two different things in your approach.

I am talking about layout of the content. Much of it is duplicate and has to be duplicate. How may ways can you describe 12,000 Christmas ornaments? You make a template and add the unique data. The customer wants that and you just can't go through life making a unique page for each christmas ornament. >

Exactly. Try describing body widgetery, where you have 10 different products which only differ by sizes of a millimetre difference between them but have so many other options and prices that you can't list them all as one product! One answer to that is to use software where you can put all the products on one page so you don't even up with 10 similar product pages - you can't do that in my software.
I can only say that at the moment I am glad that yahoo and MSN don't consider this to be a problem (and thank goodness I don't sell nuts or bolts).

Miop

12:13 pm on Nov 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

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<nope these sites have been around for years, prior to this update wasn't ranking at all - and therefor had next to no link development work done, it almost makes you think this is an anti link update >

I've given up worrying about links - I built a new site when this farce began, and already it ranks slightly above my old site for allinanchor/title/text etc.
I can't decide how important they are in numbers anymore really, except from the POV of getting found quickly by spiders and giving info about the target page.

Gimp

12:15 pm on Nov 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

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It seems that a solution to listing products that are going to have a high duplicate content percentage is to move them to a new domain. Then link to them through doorways that are optimized for that product. So one would optimize for hand blown Christmas balls and use that page as a doorway to catalog pages in another domain. The catalog pages would be penalized as duplicate. The doorway would use a rel="nofollow" tag to the catalog page. There would be no link back from the catalog pages to the doorway.

The would be a J3 workaround. I don't think they wanted this but they are penalizing legitimate sites.

tigger

12:21 pm on Nov 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

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one thing I have noticed is more link request for clients sites are coming in where the SEO company is offering the recp link back from a directory they control so in theory setting up one way links - so maybe this is the way forward if you are doing SEO work for clients is to build a directory and set up the recp link back from your directory?
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