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8:26 pm on Nov 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

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What say you?

Over and done with?

All done all through?

9:11 am on Nov 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

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lets hope for a tweak once this settles Dayo - As I'm still 80% down myself

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Tigger

I am finding it really hard to bite my tongue at the moment.

When you see what has happened to Matts Blog and you have had the same thing happen to your site - and Google dont really discuss it - it is very depressing.

Homepage Canonical Problems are rife - I am 95% sure that is your problem Tigger.

But I know MC and GG are good guys and are probably sick and tired of hearing it and I am sick and tired of waiting for them to fix.

Soooooo. Sigh - time to move on from this update.

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i'm in fan club ...

12 sites, only one is out of fan club.

large sites UP UP UP.

4 sites in english, out of fan club is the only one is on a shared ip in a US hosting.

The others are in portuguese, diferent rules, few competitors, less visitors but many #1 and #2 for main keywords.Even one i change hosting from US to European hosting on 27 Set have several #1 for main keywords. Any of them lose many visitors in jagger, one day or two.

Except...... one

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66.102.9.104 is hilarious for some (not all) searches. Subdomain and title tag spamming are being rewarded it seems. I also did a spam report for a site with more than 2 million pages in the index. On every single page there's keyword stuffing between noframes tags. Note that the site doesn't even use frames at all! On 66.102.9.104, these pages rank even higher than before.

Come on Google, is it so hard to detect and filter these kind of things?

I'm not complaining about our own rankings though. Some went up, some went down.

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Hi Dayo,

lol ... Good point about NCFC, but I still think they're a little bit more relevant than our local Railway company, I might call them up and see if I can rent their front page from them ... probably be really late in getting back to me ;-)

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Dayo_UK

I recall both GG and Matt saying something to the effect that folks with canonical issues can file reports at the end of Jagger3.

Where there is a will there is a way :-)

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No fed up Reseller with it all.
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Me too Dayo_uk, I've cleaned down my whole server today. All of the originally built and maintained templates, images, forms & legal documents that I've spent years building up are being replaced with a much more easy to maintain site, with very little free content. I hope that removing my 2500 pages of individual content makes G splutter trying to sort out the dead links.
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MC and GG are good guys

you mean is A good guy!

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This update was really bad for us. I thought we had a great site, I must have been mistaken. I am still confused how similar weighted keywords from my site can result in such random listings from top ten to 50th page.

I hope the update was great for everyone else.

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Dayo_UK

>>No fed up Reseller with it all.<<

C'mon. You have been so kind and helpfull to so many fellow webmasters including reseller ;-)

You send that reinclusion request and mention Dayo_UK at the begining. GG or Matt for sure shall help. You have nothing to lose and everything to win.

Listen Google! My good Norwich friend Dayo_UK is filing today a reinclusion request. You take good care of Dayo_UK request as good as he is taking care of so many WebmasterWorld webmasters, or else. Thanks a bunch :-)

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Reseller

They know what the problem is about. It wont make any difference whatsoever.

I posted on MC blog - it was deleted - he is obviously sick of hearing about it. Perhaps it is not of concern - I dont know, but I cant go around chasing my tail forever.

Trying to help people does not normally come back on oneself :).

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UK search marketers will enjoy this one -

Do a search for the phrase 'website promotion company' in Google.co.uk, select pages from the UK only and that retail giant that all us Brits will be familiar with pops up in the SERPS at numero 7 (Tesco.com!). Not sure how selling groceries is related to website promotion!

Google Guy - is this spam or is your algorithm broken? It really concerns me to see such unrelated results in Google's SERPS! Not good for your brand either!

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>I am finding it really hard to bite my tongue at the moment

same here bud, just trying work through it all - keep my head down and hope within a short while it gets sorted

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Yesterday on Google.co.uk the results were ok (not brilliant but acceptable), this morning I look, and they have changed yet again and look awful for my industry!
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the "allinanchor" results on google.co.uk at the moment are what should be used as the main serps! in my opinion, they are 200% better than what is being shown at the moment.

also, does anyone here know why, for one keyword, I am #78, yet using allinanchor, i am #8? why would there such a large gap?

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Googles listings for my site seem to be ok in the mornings, an then drop in the afternoon.

Curently I am at no. 25 on 66.102.9.99, but on 66.102.9.104 I am down at no. 36.

Still pretty crap being as I was no. 6 until 17th October, then dropped to no. 320!

I have a good content site with over 200 hand written pages, nothing to really spam the system apart from the basic SEO stuff, yet no. 1 on my keywords is a site with ony 3 pages and two of those are full of links!

I am just trying to run a business, that's all.

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Still have DMOZ entry showing for my home page which can't be helping. There is a new dupe content issue on my site between / and index.php - I'm not sure how to redirect it, or if my cart won't work anymore if I do so as many cart process pages redirect to index.php.
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*wheese wheese* I finally caught up :)

These threads are growing faster than I can read :s

It will be interesting to see the aftermath of Jagger and find out if it has got rid of spammers or/and created a better search facility. Anybody thinking that this might be a test for Google's own 'Mindset'?

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Dayo - I told you not to expect a fix in this update, so I hope you are not that down, of cause its a pain in the a.. , but look at the brite side, microsoft Vista comes next year, that means a HUGE boost in traffic from MSN, because of there desktop search wich is included.

About jagger3 - Im not even sure it has started and if there is a fix done to non www issue, it will come at once not over days, but once again dont expect it.

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Here is a snip from an article in a popular, rather large name, newsletter which article appeared today.

It talks about the Jagger updates.

Does this make sense to anyone?

How do you “extract your site from link farms and other low quality sites”?

There is a lot more in this article.

Begin Snip

As for the "other" category, your site's overall health can quickly be determined by the sheer volume of low-quality links connecting to your site. For example, if you audit 1,000 links into your site and 700 of the links are from internal, paid, solicited, or relational links, it's pretty safe to say the latest algorithmic updates aren't the reason your site lost positioning.

However, if the "other" category accounts for over 70 percent of the links into your site, you probably had some link extraction work to do if you want to keep your search results robust. And it's relatively important to extract your site from link farms and other poor quality sites while you build credible links into your site.

End snip

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"if you audit 1,000 links into your site and 700 of the links are from internal, paid, solicited, or relational links"

Sounds like crap to me. The terminology is even wrong.

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Well I guess it makes some sense, but the recommendations are nuts. I am included in 100s of scraper and other directories.

They could careless if I want to be in their sites. I would not even think about wasting my time asking them to remove me. No way this is hurting my rankings unless I mistakenly link back to one of them.

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<zammo
'website promotion company' in Google.co.uk, pops up in the SERPS at numero 7 (Tesco.com!)>

I had a look at this and checked the page out, of course it ranks number 7, it has the words "10% off promotion" - priceless.

Im seeing to much of these junk results.

Day off needed.

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The day off is a good idea. Sometimes typing for 18 hours just can't help :)
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lol, I've been reading for the past 18 hours :( ah well, anybody think Jagger 3 is 'broke' again? or just warming up?
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re anybody.

Took one day off. No Google, no serps. Nice day.

This morning I see better results on good ole Jagger-3-DCs. Not as good as last weekend but I can see some pages returning (again).

Are there any signs, the update could be over?

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Anyone can expect that when it will done for this update? Why it would occur before Christmas time every year, Anyone could remember Florida Update?
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If you are relatively popular loads of cr@p link directories start linking to you and you can't do anything about it.. I tried to get some Indian guy taking off his links.. you could as well write to Santa Claus ..
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I use 301 as it says on the box MOVED PERMANENTLY.

Just apply as it says on the box .. erase old index new problem sorted.

But what do I find on a search term we rank 1st. Some age old page in supplemental ranks first then the actual page. Yes they are the same as I just changed the directory structure to something that looked nicer to the human eye. Before google ranked the actual page 1st after J3 it's the other way around .. This is not an improvement lol.

No comment really .. 4/5 traffic loss .. I even made a server just 301ing example.com www.example.com since J1 and J2 passed with no effect I assume I am penalised for some 301 or so.. if J3 was canonical .. and canonical means this 301 issue.

httpd codes make sense ... use them G...

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