Update Saga. Part 5

[Brett_Tabke]

What say you?

Over and done with?

All done all through?

[Powdork]

i report the same site as spam before jagger and after jagger with keywords jagger1,2,3 but no results they arenot working as we work i think

Also keep in mind that they may be getting a letter [webmasterworld.com] from Google outlining how to keep their site in Google's good graces.

[CrackSeo]

Powdork Google's good graces have been showered on Spam/Clocking sites. They are ruling SERP'S in this flux.

I repeat what PhraSEOlogy said
Solution: Spam & cloak, spam and cloak.

So my solution is to have Spam sites as "Main sites" and few Genuine, white hat sites as "backup" so that they would work if some thing goes wrong with the algo :)

[Dayo_UK]

>>>>P.S. any available weather report shall be highly appreciated :-)

Yes, get up early and not much difference.

GG - any indications on what stage we are at Order Level 1 - or Order Level 2?

Also is likely to be done on a site by site basis - eg as I said yesterday - some sites might get order level 2 applied while some sites are still having order level 1 applied?

[reseller]

Dayo_UK

And how about a weather report about your site; The Father of All Canonicals Sites :-)

[Dayo_UK]

Reseller

The homepage got crawled the day before yesterday as I said - this has appeared as a crawled page in the serps (although no cache data for some reason :()

It is in second place on the site:domain.com search on the Jagger3 DCs (I was hoping that order level 1 would have put it first)

>>>The Father of All Canonicals Sites :-)

To be fair it appears I only have a Homepage Canonical Problem (as corrected by g1smd and steveb in the last thread) - but I guess that is the worst page to have the problem on :(

[Dayo_UK]

OK, MC and GG

What has happened to your site then - this has happened to mine - is this not a problem?

Pfffft.

OK, I will ask a question you might be prepared to answer - is there still some settling down to do of Canonical problems - or is that it?

Or maybe this will shake out a bit more with a crawl or two?

Has Jagger3 blended?

Do you want Canonical url reports now?

Thanks

Dayo

[reseller]

Good morning GoogleGuy

Matt just wrote on his blog:

"Jagger3 was visible starting at 66.102.9.104 around 11/4/2005. Jagger3 is not widely visible yet (it might also be at 216.239.51.104), but I expect it migrate to other data centers over time."

If possible, do you have an approximate date where one can say; Jagger Update is over?

I recall, you were kind during update Bourbon to give an approx date of the end of the update.

Thanks.

[followgreg]

I'm still a bit confused and have a serious headache.

Reported some spam again though, found a company "seo" related with sub domains like "seo-kw1.domain.com" "seo-kw2.domain.com" "seo-kw3.domain.com" that using these and cross linking domains found a way on the first page for almost all keywords.
The same issue was seen a few months ago if I remember for voice over talent related keywords.

Not easy to to monitor that I guess, but that reminds my of the class C ip filters, should not these be filtered somehow?

[reseller]

WOW...

I can see my homepage cache is updated on Jagger3 DCs:

9 Nov 2005 04:14:56 GMT

Otherwise it stayed for looooooonge time on 22 Sept 2005.

Jaggeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeer3.. I Love ya :-)

Oh Google! You Are Simply The Best.. Better Than All The Rest :-)

[edited by: reseller at 7:37 am (utc) on Nov. 10, 2005]

[zimba]

I agree reseller, an approx time frame would be a very reasonable request.

[followgreg]

Congrats reseller :)

It seems that our friend Dayo wasn't that lucky unfortunately?

[Dayo_UK]

I still think there is settling down to go actually.

Although the algo or binary - or whatever has been put in place there may still be some waves to come.

[reseller]

followgreg

>>Congrats reseller :)<<

Thanks!

>>It seems that our friend Dayo wasn't that lucky unfortunately?<<

Well.. I told Dayooooooooooo to move his site to a Danish ISP here in Denmark, but he wouldn't listen :-)

In Denmark we have an agreement with the plex to solve any canonical issues asap, you know :-)

[Dayo_UK]

>>>In Denmark we have an agreement with the plex to solve any canonical issues asap, you know :-)

You had better post that info on MCs blog then.

[followgreg]

Funny how Europeans seem to rule this forum ;-)

BTW, cannonical problems should never have happened with a modern search engine right?

But if the solution is to throw websites to the Danish community, throwing we will ....bit of humour but sincerely I feel for you Dayo, I would have been gone crazy if I had the same problem!

[edited by: followgreg at 7:45 am (utc) on Nov. 10, 2005]

[zimba]

I have seen a dramatic difference between singular and plural results on *9*. Anyone else notice this trend or any other trends?

[followgreg]

I think that Google is tweaking the keyword "stemming" for some time now, because that's a true competitive advantage they have over MSN and Yahoo (especially Y! but that's only my opinion I guess)

[Dayo_UK]

>>> I feel for you Dayo, I would have been gone crazy if I had the same problem!

It is very annoying - but as I have said before my site probably needs a crawl based on the new binary code - or whatever it is.

I am a bit disappointed that I posted the same query regarding MC blog disappearing on Matts Blog and it appears to have been deleted. (Unless I am now on approval status or something at the blog :( - I am sure It was not a rude post :()

I certainly dont want to stir up trouble MC - just want my site fixed :( - Nevermind - there is always the next update.

So sorry MC/GG the site is there to learn things after all.

[bonedome]

Looks like that's it for this update.

Matt Cutts just posted this on his blog

Matt Said,

November 10, 2005 @ 1:06 am

Steve, I don’t know every potential launch that might cause some change, but personally I’ve had enough of update discussion for a while. We may have some test data center that looks a little different at some point, but it would only be one IP. Other than that, I’m not aware of any huge pending index changes.

He's had enough of the update.... we've given him all the information he wanted and now we can go to hell.

[normasp]

Helloooo!

Today I have a good new to my fans's history:

I'm at the second page of results in .9 and others DC's!
I was always in first, but this is better than last days (I was dissapeared)

So, I'm sorry but I leave Jagger's antifans boat and I'll go to the party with the jagger's fans (like reseller, congratulations ;))

[colin_h]

I can't stop looking at my local results. If you put "Norwich Web Designers" into 'G' you get One Railways at number 5. Hardly an accurate depiction of their services ;-)

[phantombookman]

66.102.9.104

This DC looks excellent in my areas, at the time of writing that is, hopefully they will hold.
I tend to find they roll back slightly and become a little dull

[CainIV]

I have noticed huge changes in stemming - plural and singular searches as well as associated themed searches (ie blue country widgets vs green country widgets) Where we used to rank for associated key phrases(Google would interpret the green version as close enough to the blue version), it has now really opened up a gap. This makes acquiring links for the purposes of ranking harder for those who do it as from what I see this limits the 'scope' of the link anchor effect.

After many days of webmasters' pulling their hair out, what are we left with:

1. Serp's arguably somewhat better than before, but hearing conflicting reports that they are worse in many genres.

2. Canon issues do not seem to be approached whatsoever in this one, and supps seem as bad. There was some promise in the early stages for me, as two of my sites did get resolveed. Too many have been left behind in this matter though.

3. Spammy sites and link spam are about the same. In the end I have seen very little reduction in rank based on reciprocal *themed and unthemed* and inbound purchased link acquisition as measure on about 15 of my sites. I know this was not something that G was destined to target, but it seemed I had jumped the gun in the beginning assuming the drop was associated with trades. In the end, all of our recip linking sites returned to about the same spots. Newer sites were left slightly behind what they were.

Any thoughts, and theories?

[Dayo_UK]

Oh Hello fellow Norwich person.

If you put Norwich Football in Google you get the Canaries site first! Harldy accurate at the moment - not much football there - lol.

I am confused by this update. It looks like they have gone halfway to fixing some problems and then not carried through - I really hope that a crawl will fix the rest.

I guess if we are coming to the end of the update it is time to look out for Heavy Googlebot in the logs.

[reseller]

normasp

>>So, I'm sorry but I leave Jagger's antifans boat and I'll go to the party with the jagger's fans (like reseller, congratulations ;)) <<

Glad to hear that. Thanks.

Anybody else out there who wish to join "Jagger's Fans Club" :-)

[zimba]

I like what i see on *9*. Ill join the jagger fan club.

[Dayo_UK]

I dont mind what might be potentially developing on .9

I just feel a bit hollow that the underlying cause of a lot of sites problems dont seem to be fixed :(

But like MC - I have had enough of update talk too :(

[Daavros]

< Anybody else out there who wish to join "Jagger's Fans Club" :-) >

I have been reading this forum for the past couple of weeks. Just wanted to chip in and say Jagger does indeed rock!

[soapystar]

so now we know mc and gg are the same guy......

[idolw1]

Anybody else out there who wish to join "Jagger's Fans Club" :-)

I am :)