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8:06 am on Sep 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

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It seem the backlink update has begun, not surprising after the heavy spidering lately, good luck everyone!
8:19 am on Sept 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Almost spot on DaveN. It's happening in a little under two weeks... going by time intervals between previous updates :)

Will somebody please change the thread title and the entry on the homepage?

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>> Yesterday all the data centres were showing my updated backlinks

Updated backlinks, updated PR, updated directory are not the same as algo update and not necessarily either a precusor to algo update or any indication of one happening behind the scenes. (That's not specifically directed at anyone but generally against all those who seem to believe there's a connection)

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GG - you have probably gone to bed but if you do revist this thread.

Sorry about banging on - but any news on canonical urls - or am I becoming to obsessed with that being the problem?

Dave any whispers you have heard ;)?

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GoogleGuy,

Can you suggest me what to do:

My site continues go down with every update
(inc. Gilligan ) in search results as more
and more users put the content from it on their
websites with the linkback:

powered by <a href=mysite.com>mysite.com</a>

I'am not buying this (sometimes close to sidewide)
text links but Google continues to penalize my site
for them!

This is very unfair. :(
Will I have any luck contacting Google on this matter?

Regards.

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>> My site continues go down with every update inc. Gilligan)

Er, why should GG bother to reply to your post when you haven't even read his first one? There is no update called Gilligan. Yet.

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You won't get any kind of useful response to a request such as this. Google state that there is (almost) nothing that can be done offsite that can harm your rankings.

Therefore, if your supposition is true, they could give you no useful advice because such information would be considered top secret.

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I have recently done an allinurl:www.site.co.uk and my number of pages has gone from 72,000 to 190,000.

Whilst I am optimistic about this, I am concerned that the increase in pages in Google is not reflective in the level of traffic...

My question is, does Google take time before the extra pages are searchable in the search engine after they show they exist?

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I can confirm that many

<a href=keyword1keyword2.org>keyword1keyword2</a>

one way links kill the site position by queries
like:

"keyword1 keyword2"

so Google statement that nothing could be done by 3-rd party sites to harm your rankings is not true.

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Hope this backlink update or whatever is still going on - my site no longer shows for
allinurl:www.mysite.co.uk

If there is no algo change, whats going on?

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some bastarĢ$%^$$s pocer casino mafia (or competitors)have put my site (a 100% regional travel site)in there links directory!(the most funny is that I get as well an email from those scams ,that your site has been succesfully added in "our directory" of course my answer always is you f$%^&n bast$%Rds take it away ASAP but no answer).I strongly believe that if you have competitors they know G's weekness to find original links and if those scams want to eliminate you they put your links in porn and gambling directories......WHAT ABOUT THAT GG? does your algo engineer brains have a solution?
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Hi all, doing an allinurl:mysite,
I found an redirection indexed side by side with my homepage,
but with the url of the redirection, should I do anything about it?

[edited by: helenp at 10:07 am (utc) on Sep. 8, 2005]

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Okay I think ill go out on a limb and say something is happening although I did say yesterday there wasnt (things change).

My links went from 731 yesterday to

"Results 1 - 10 of about 9,070".

Guess I am doing something right...

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Helenp

If it is an allinurl search I would not be over concerned. If it was a site:example.com search then it might be more of a problem.

Cheers

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I sense a lot of poorly spelled rage in this thread.
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my back links increased : but from Aug 19th my traffic from google getting reduced and from September 1st nearly 50 % drop out. To some keywords still iam in the first position. My website is not a scrapper. regular updation with quality content and membership.
Don't know what's the reason for the decrease.?
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<a href=keyword1keyword2.org>keyword1keyword2</a>

one way links kill the site position by queries like:

"keyword1 keyword2"

Cylinder, it can't be that simple...? If it was true, then webmasterworld.com would not be ranked for keywords "webmaster world" if everyone had a one-way link with the anchor text "webmaster world" ... which is clearly untrue.

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I'am talking about algo itself, not the human made exceptions.
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helenp - you can not find the hijackers or the googlebug 302 in a site:yourdomain.com anymore, google has removed that option, but the problem is still there, so do a inurl:yourdomain.com and if you see another domain with your title and your page in the cache, then take action.
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>>>>I'am not buying this (sometimes close to sidewide) text links but Google continues to penalize my site for them!

How can you possibly know this cylinder? It is just a guess. Did you think that maybe you are staying the same and others are going up? Or a hundred other factors.

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thanks to both,
I thought allinurl showed "the future" or similar,
but reading googles explanation:
[google.com...]
google says this about allinurl:
Google will restrict the results to those with all of the query words in the url

So if so allinurl donīt work correctoy, though the url was diferent however redirected to my site.

The problem to check both site: and inurl: donīt let me see all pages indexed....theres is to many
anyway doing inurl, my site donīt show up on the first ones....

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GG, I'm dont use doorway pages, or any stupid black SEO method, of course, this directory have pages with userful content, you can see and prove, but I'm use javascript redirect in some links (if user click on a link will be redirected), maybe the googlebot think that is doorway... why this directory got dumped this week. I'm dont will remove this pages, dont is made for SE, but to users like whole site. I hope that someone check this directory and fix it. Anyway, thanks :)

(BTW I'm will replace this javascript to regular rel="nofollow" link)

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so do a inurl:yourdomain.com and if you see another domain with your title and your page in the cache, then take action.

Sorry to ask herem, but "take action" would be doing what?

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Dayo_UK

>>... am I becoming to obsessed with that being the problem? <<

But you are not alone my friend. Many other fellow members are still "suffering" of the same and they have reported that.

You should have followed my advice and started the new lobby I told you about Lobby Google 301 to influence the folks at the plex ;-)

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I'm use javascript redirect in some links (if user click on a link will be redirected)

Why not use a plain-vanilla link?

(BTW I'm will replace this javascript to regular rel="nofollow" link)

Why "nofollow"? If you have a legitimate directory, why prevent the sites that you link to from receiving PageRank? If you want free traffic from Google, does it make sense to inhibit the natural flow of links and PageRank that Google expects to see?

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"deanril, if it's only your root page and you see other pages if you do site:yourdomain.com, I wouldn't worry about it and I'd give it a little time."

Thanks for the reply GG, I'll wait it out for a bit see what happens, thanks

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Why "nofollow"? If you have a legitimate directory, why prevent the sites that you link to from receiving PageRank? If you want free traffic from Google, does it make sense to inhibit the natural flow of links and PageRank that Google expects to see?

This is a directory (folder) of my site (like mysite.com/directory). The nofollow links are internal, just to googlebot keep out.

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Isn't it a lot easier to keep Googlebot out using robots.txt?
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All I know is I have 3 sites that have new pr values, new backlink counts, and all new serps. If that is not an update - then we don't know what an update is.
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Isn't it a lot easier to keep Googlebot out using robots.txt?

Yes, but these URLs dont have a pattern. I'm want keep Googlebot out to avoid think that my site is growing to fast and penalize a well ranked/established domain, but this content is very userful for users. I'm merging another domain (that use noindex,nofollow) of us inside this directory.

[edited by: nsqlg at 3:49 pm (utc) on Sep. 8, 2005]

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Also, there's an update to the directory. But, Brett, is that an algo update? I thought we named only algo updates, not PR updates or backlink updates.

Or did they tell you it's happening and then had to change their mind/postpone it for whatever reason? :)

nsqlg, still doesn't make sense. What about a noindex meta tag? If you really want to keep Google off the page surely that's better than making all the links rel=nofollow.

[edited by: oddsod at 3:48 pm (utc) on Sep. 8, 2005]

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>Or did they tell you it's happening and
> then had to change their mind/postpone

Ya Think?

Maybe it was justa 3 hour tour of the algo? ;-)

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