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Update Allegra - Google Update 2-2-2005

   
1:34 pm on Feb 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

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My site which came back on december 26 update, seems to have disappeared again on this data center [216.239.53.99...] . Its notwhere to be found even in allinanchor, allintitle etc? I see majot change on that data center, is this a new update?
4:49 am on Feb 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

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This change for me and my KW was like a roll back to the previous Serps prior to the Dec 22nd change. The first time any of my sites had ever been hit

I guess there is a first time ever, just didnt have to be this bad :(

5:33 am on Feb 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

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216.239.57.105 - shows the first real instance of opening up the sandbox. Finally, breast cancer foundation..... is ranking where it should be. Not with all sandboxed sites though. Folks, check your sandboxed sites here. You might just be lucky if this one sticks.

Mc

7:42 am on Feb 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Congratulations McMahon,
Sadly, my sandboxed site ranks worse there than anywhere else.

Edit before posting-My site is starting to appear for several keywords on that datacenter. Much moreso than earlier today.

8:44 am on Feb 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Now i see results simillar to 216.239.57.105
on 216.239.63.104
9:21 am on Feb 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Now i see results simillar to 216.239.57.105
on 216.239.63.104

IMHO, both these datacenters show much better results for the keywords I monitor.

My sandboxed sites got out yesterday in the 216.239.57.105 datacenter and today I notice that half of the pages (keyword combinations) are back in sandbox.

But what I was seeing yesterday at 216.239.57.105 seems to have switched over to 216.239.63.104 (where my entire sites are again out of sandbox and roaring)

So guys, if you want to check if you sites are outta sandbox, then 216.239.57.105 and 216.239.63.104 are the IPs to watch.

I also noticed a few other sandboxed sites (watching like a hawk, but not owned by me) fall down further on these IPs.

9:37 am on Feb 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Well well .... -asdf x 13 isn't working for my site anymore.

Can anyone verify that for their site too?

9:57 am on Feb 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Alert: 216.239.63.104 seems to be moved to the main Google.com
10:49 am on Feb 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Is this update/ algo evolving or did the changes I made on Friday just put me back on top?

Was burried on Thursday, starting moving back up the SERPs on Friday. Made some modest changes to on page factors Friday. New page's now showing in the Cache and I'm higher than ever for my two main keyword phrases - from 2 or 3 to 1 worldwide. Plus, some residual phrases have moved up for the same page too?

Also, one of my longterm competitors is back too.

My changes or Googles?

Suggy

11:20 am on Feb 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Googles changes Suggy.

One of my three sites is severely down accross
all pages since last Friday.

My other two sites are where they were.

Not too happy about this, since the site which is down has the most original content of all three and has been Googles "darlin" for years...

Perhaps this is a temporary hitch? Are we still dancing (yes, I still believe Google jigs from time to time)

or is this definitive now?

2:37 pm on Feb 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Went from #6 to page #36.

This really stinks, and although the new SERPs are less spammy they still suck. I don't know really what to do. Still doing good on MSN and Yahoo, so it could be worse.

2:41 pm on Feb 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

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It really looks like they let some sites out of sandbox and put older sites in the sandbox, we are seeing this with one of ours
2:58 pm on Feb 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

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It really looks like they let some sites out of sandbox and put older sites in the sandbox, we are seeing this with one of ours

now wouldnt that be interesting?...if the sandbox organic filter was so deep it need its own mini data index to work...so you apply it retrospectively in groups as you gather the extra data that is required to be in permanent storage...of course you would start from the newest and by stage continue down to the oldest..yep!..the rippling efect of the sandbox organic filter....! watch this space...

3:01 pm on Feb 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Oldiesgal,

Maybe some smiles would have helped ;).

For those who don't know frequently the sum of secondary keyword hits and thus income, readership, servers fees, etc ... can be higher than for the main targeted keyword. It is called diversity.


I realize that.
But would 51 pages with each one getting one referral except one that gets 100 also be diversifying?

Powdork,

Not if all your money was coming from the page with the 100 hits.

That is my read on the matter.

3:08 pm on Feb 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

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It really looks like they let some sites out of sandbox and put older sites in the sandbox, we are seeing this with one of ours.

I'll be damnned. I now have 2 DMOZ listed sites nowhere to be found while 1 sandboxed site is eeking its way out. This does nothing to alleviate my frustrations with Google - actually makes them worse.

3:41 pm on Feb 6, 2005 (gmt 0)



"It really looks like they let some sites out of sandbox and put older sites in the sandbox, we are seeing this with one of ours"

What the h-ll is going on? My old site is gone today! Finally I was doing good. I guess we should wait and see, I hope it isn;t over yet.

There's no way these results will stand: I just searched for a fairly popular search for my category and only the first 2 results belong there. Many of my competitors are missing as well.

[edited by: walkman at 4:10 pm (utc) on Feb. 6, 2005]

3:56 pm on Feb 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I believe my site was finally let out of the Google sandbox. It was on page 13 for my main keyword and now shot up to #4 on page 1.

The site was launched March '04 and is finally ranking up there with Google like it does already with MSN and Yahoo.

4:15 pm on Feb 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Can anybody say why this update is called Alerga?

It has not made me very happy :( In fact I don't see much to be excited about. Some dodgy stuff mixed in where it should not be and some good sites pushed down.

Anyway Alegra? anyone?

4:21 pm on Feb 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Anyway Alegra? anyone?

Read back several pages and you'll find Brett's answer.

4:27 pm on Feb 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Great. All this update has done my side is add one of my sites TO the sandbox.

It was created April 2004 and had escaped any sandbox penalty until now.

Has this happened to anyone out?

I now have 3 big investments stuck in this thing...

4:32 pm on Feb 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Sometime late last night my site broke free from the quicksand. Referrals are through the roof!

Site is 10 months old.

With super-competitive terms the site is suppressed some but ranking near page 4 or 5.

Wow, I thought I would never get out. I now see what some people say about G being the biggest engine referral. It is still only morning time here and lots of referrals!

4:47 pm on Feb 6, 2005 (gmt 0)



hundreds of sites that link me, are ahead for "mydomain.com". Is this the sandbox? 6-7 year old site btw.
4:48 pm on Feb 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Our website no where to be seen under company name, we were glad we just got out of the sandbox, site launched last august and started showing in the first page for company name, since yesterday however site is NO WHERE to be seen under ALL keywords even the most obscure.

I really think google should get their act together, both MSN and Yahoo are showing us in the first page for same keyword.

Even –asdf is not showing us anymore..

Nawar

5:12 pm on Feb 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Nawar - I'm in the same situation as you
5:20 pm on Feb 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

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A query for "my company name":

#1 in MSN
#1 in Yahoo
#4 in Google

I've been in business for 6 years, I've always been #1 for "my company name". (Which is fairly unique)

Some sites that link to me using my name show up in positions 1,2,3 on Google.

How relevant is this? If I did a search for Wal-mart and got people who linked to them, is this a good SERP return?

-

[edited by: rehabguy at 5:26 pm (utc) on Feb. 6, 2005]

5:24 pm on Feb 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I did a search for a major car dealer today on its brand name and location.

The first three pages of Google results were all 'directory' sites (ie useless uninformative junk - and Adsense ads).

I gave up and looked at Yellow Pages

5:28 pm on Feb 6, 2005 (gmt 0)



"Some of the people who LINK TO ME using my name show up in positions 1,2,3 on Google."
Google is seriously broken. Many sites are vanishing for no reason and appearing month later. Some appear, some disappear.

I seriously hope these guys wake up, drink some Red Bull or whatever and fix this nonsense. From nowhere to #1 and then back to nowhere in just a few days. Almost 7 years-old site with close to 350 unique-domain links, many with "Mydomain.com" and not rank anywhere for that term? Hundreds of other links pages rank before my site. What kind of a joke is that?

5:33 pm on Feb 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Walkman
hundreds of sites that link me, are ahead for "mydomain.com". Is this the sandbox? 6-7 year old site btw.

As much as I am happy for my two sites out of sandbox now, the same thing happened to one of my 4 year old authority whitehat site and I am completely baffled. The site is a huge subdomain of a main site and has what I can call 1000's of healthy one-way links. Interestingly the other subdomains are exactly where they were before. No ups or downs for them.

5:40 pm on Feb 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

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robster124, I am glad we have this board to vent our frustration!, I did wrote google however, I know many say it is useless, but I see no harm in letting them know their engine is broken!
5:40 pm on Feb 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Powdork - its the case here too, few sites are further deep down in the sandbox. Apparently the only site that is let off from the sandbox is the oldest (about 10 months) and the ones that are still sandboxed are launched in the last 5 months. Sandbox naysayers, go figure.
6:02 pm on Feb 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Nawaralsaadi

Google is always changing on an ongoing basis, tweak, tweak and tweak more.

Hollywood

[edited by: Woz at 4:18 am (utc) on Feb. 7, 2005]

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