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Update Allegra - Google Update 2-2-2005

     
1:34 pm on Feb 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

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My site which came back on december 26 update, seems to have disappeared again on this data center [216.239.53.99...] . Its notwhere to be found even in allinanchor, allintitle etc? I see majot change on that data center, is this a new update?
6:25 pm on Feb 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Wow. I'm stunned by a few things. First, my site has basically disappeared from Google. It doesn't show on any of the searches that I usually check, nor does it show for a search on my company name. I see thousands of sites that link to me showing up on my company name though.
Separately, since I've been running a lot of searches to see what is happening, I am reviewing the search results for what is showing up...and the results are basically bad. While some of the search results seem to be on target, mostly they are very weak sites for the search term.
In general, things do not look good within the Google search results. For obvious reasons, I hope they change again soon.
6:27 pm on Feb 6, 2005 (gmt 0)



Can anybody say why this update is called Alerga?

The correct name is "Allegra," which also happens to be the name of an allergy medication. "Allegra" was used because so many Webmasters and SEOs are allergic to the Sandbox.

Many Webmasters and SEOs are waiting for an update named "Levitra," which they hope will give them a lift in the rankings.

6:32 pm on Feb 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

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How about update 'Kafka' when we will wonder if it is us or Google's search results that are entirely mad.
6:34 pm on Feb 6, 2005 (gmt 0)



is this update settled? What do you guys think? Any updates on other DCs?
Are we stuck or will this change one more time this month? Update Beyond Prozac sux...First the 302 issues for many months and now this.

[edited by: walkman at 6:38 pm (utc) on Feb. 6, 2005]

6:37 pm on Feb 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Sorry did I really type Alerga, meant Allegra of course which I thought was Italian or for happy.

Levitra.. perhaps Viagra to keep your site up?

Totally agree that things do not look to good with the update.

Its not a disaster, but I do see a ton of new sites at the top which probably should not be there just yet, ie they look a little underbaked.

Perhaps, if what everyone here says is true that Google have released a load of sites from the sandbox then maybe they still have to go through another stage to sort them properly into the results and give them their proper placings..

Well I can hope..

6:38 pm on Feb 6, 2005 (gmt 0)



I really like how 216.239.57.105 has evolved in main Google.

Some spam in the top but looking good.

Congratulations Google!

[edited by: zafile at 6:41 pm (utc) on Feb. 6, 2005]

6:39 pm on Feb 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

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And suddenly the PRO Googler's all have a problem with Google! Google has been broke for over a year now! It's a great time for Google to mess up their results even worse as MSN will bring the heat! Funny how their isn't a problem with Google until of course your sites are nowhere to be found or sandboxed isn't it?

Bring the heat MSN!

6:39 pm on Feb 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

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One of my sites has basically disappeared even though it is still sandboxed. Searching for the company name in quotes it is on page 7! On Thursday it would at least come up #1 for the company name.
6:47 pm on Feb 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Understand the why. If you are ranking on MSN you mostly will get the kiss of death from google soon if you have not already got it. This update is rolling across subject areas.
6:47 pm on Feb 6, 2005 (gmt 0)



"Google update" search results are looking good.

Congratulations Brett for holding at number one.

Google rocks!

6:52 pm on Feb 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Hope is back. I can see our company name with "more results" again after three days.

Impressions still are low but there is still something goin on.

6:52 pm on Feb 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

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My site had been in the sandbox, then started moving up in the rankings for various keywords.

Sometime yesterday if vanished almost completely. If I do a search for the company name, I get all the sites that link to mine, but no pages from my site.

If I do a search for one of my keywords, a page that previously ranked about #25 is now #483.

I was wondering why traffic was off yesterday. Now I know the answer.

6:56 pm on Feb 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Careful zafile - next month your site(s) may disappear. If you make any money this month then save most of it because it may not last.

I'm just waiting for the update that ranks Amazon as #47 for the search 'Amazon'

7:02 pm on Feb 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

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>>I'm just waiting for the update that ranks Amazon as #47 for the search 'Amazon'

To true.

At least there would be a legitamate reason for Amazon not being number one for 'Amazon' eg River, Warriors etc.

Cant really think of a reason why my company is not number one for its unique name.

7:14 pm on Feb 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I have just checked for my main website name (a unique string) and I'm #41! I am now laughing - all anger has gone. Time to head on over to the Yahoo and MSN Search forums...
7:19 pm on Feb 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

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We've disappeared from Google nearly completely on this update.

Search for our company name, (in the domain and thousands on incoming links) and we are nowhere. Link pages that mention us scoring higher than we do.

Search for an obscure product we sell (only about 2 or 3 other suppliers in the world sell), keyword1, keyword2, keyword3 and our entry is on page 8. The entries before us mention the keywords but scattered about the pages. Quite a few links pages to us there aswell.

Seems quite rough, the popular searches seem good though. It looks like they've turned on heavy penalties to remove spam but its catching a lot of false positives.

7:23 pm on Feb 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

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the update was quite nice to me, although i only noticed the changes in my keywords in the last 8 hours... weird.

also i thought G was doing rolling updates now? this reminds me of the old dance!

7:25 pm on Feb 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Just this minute checked my unique company name this morning #1 as it has been for years, now #2 a site that mentions my company name is #1.
Not a disaster but plainly ridiculous and also embarrassing for Google in my opinion.
7:30 pm on Feb 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

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A thought occurs to me - are we seeing existing, established sites going INTO the sandbox?
7:30 pm on Feb 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I am not sure what the keywords did this time (never watch them any more) - but referrals are up about 5% from google.

yeah that's great for you white hats with "quality content", but what about us affiliate scum? we need traffic too :)

7:46 pm on Feb 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

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This allegra update hits harder than grandma's year old bun-loaf right between the eyes.

3 of my sites have held steady during this update, but one flagship site, pure html, no affiliate links, thousands of backlinks including dmoz and yahoo directory listings, (even a few edu links) has been creamed.

Funny thing is this happened before on sep 23rd, I lost half my google traffic but mostly for the little keyword combos on sub pages, my main front page keywords stayed intact....Then before Christmas traffic began to flow better than before......6 weeks of traffic bliss until Allegra when 95 percent of google traffic on this site has now vanished.....

The sites now in the top 10 (I've moved from 1 - 35) I see now have very little front page text, under a hundred words of copy, very high keyword density, anchor text links in the menu bars or site maps lead to product pages with very little textual content....

After a few days research I've found that most of the sites currently in the top 10 have a couple hundred hundred backlinks at most, admittedly with a lot of variation in the anchor text, but most of these seem to be traded links with off topic web sites.

Can't complain really, it's google's engine and this site has had a good innings....but looking at the current top 10, I don't think this month's algo knob tweaking has made any improvement.

Perhaps the webmasters who have negligible front page text do better because they don't have hundreds of sites copying their text and content scraping....Which triggers duplicate content penalties.

8:41 pm on Feb 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I checked my website today, and it's gone into the sandbox.

A lot of spam websites have taken up the positions for a key phrase I'm optimizing for.

Theo

9:19 pm on Feb 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

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This update is mayhem.

It seems that if there ever was a capacity problem, Google have solved the problem by removing old established sites and adding the sandboxed sites of whinging webmasters.

This is clearly an act of insanity.

9:46 pm on Feb 6, 2005 (gmt 0)



"It seems that if there ever was a capacity problem, Google have solved the problem by removing old established sites and adding the sandboxed sites of whinging webmasters. "

it is a disaster but I don't blame people "whining" about not ranking for a year or so. I blame G, the $56 billion company, for not being able to handle this correctly. Why did the move the first update to all the databases and then replace with this disaster? Is this done or...?

9:51 pm on Feb 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Walkman - I'd be the last person to criticise people for whining about the sandbox - I have 3 significant investments stuck in it as we speak!
9:52 pm on Feb 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I wonder how many webmasters see the other side of the coin on this, i.e. the results look good.

Frankly, I've seen my oldest site (6+ years) stay rock-solid through every update from florida on (ok...it DID drop 1 spot on this one, but it still raniks in the top 10).

Further, my "newest" site which had been in the sandbox (or whatever caused it to rank on pages 100+ for all relevant key phrases) since late Feb/Early March has emerged in the top ten (actually over 60 #1 positions for various pages) with a vengeance as of about 36 hours ago.

Couple that with the telentless scraper sites that had been perying on my content like wolves being effectively zapped, and I have yet to see a negative to this update.

9:58 pm on Feb 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I don't think the updates done still see some major serp changes that have not seen before on 4 datacentres not sure if they are just oddballs but it aint over till the fat lady sings normally tuesday noonish or longer with major changes

so if your happy or sad
happy don't gloat
sad don't give up quite yet

steve

10:00 pm on Feb 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Careful zafile - next month your site(s) may disappear. If you make any money this month then save most of it because it may not last.

Yep....make sure you save all your pennies, we all KNOW you can't pssibly make a living without google.

YAWN.

yeah that's great for you white hats with "quality content", but what about us affiliate scum? we need traffic too :)

Better start typing then.

Perhaps the webmasters who have negligible front page text do better because they don't have hundreds of sites copying their text and content scraping....Which triggers duplicate content penalties.

No....We have a "mostly" text front page, with only 9 images (including logo) and we've leapt up quite a bit in this update.

10:02 pm on Feb 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

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foxtunes,
I have the exactly same situation.
I hope it doesn't least too long.
10:07 pm on Feb 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

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First, my site has basically disappeared from Google. It doesn't show on any of the searches that I usually check, nor does it show for a search on my company name.

My 3 1/2 year old site also has disappeared from Google. Large hobby/non-profit site with some separate affiliate pages. Traffic went way down after the mid-December update. Now, with this update, it's non-existent. I think I had 4 unique vistors from google yesterday (aside from google images).

Glad I'm still getting traffic from Yahoo and MSN. :)

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