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1:34 pm on Feb 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

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My site which came back on december 26 update, seems to have disappeared again on this data center [216.239.53.99...] . Its notwhere to be found even in allinanchor, allintitle etc? I see majot change on that data center, is this a new update?
11:59 pm on Feb 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Walkman: Was this the site you lost around about September 23rd? If so then I too am seeing my site lost around then creeping back in and ranking well. It looks to me as if the sites which were only ranking well with &filter=0 after the URL and now ranking well on there own.

Andy

12:14 am on Feb 3, 2005 (gmt 0)

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You can't say I didn't do my share

And what of us that seem to be taking a big hit? Can you say that we didn't do our share?

I've been working on new content for over a year and it's been progressively growing, however Google now wants to let me down, or so it would seem.

I'm 2 seconds away from adding a feature that will detect referrers from google.com and give them an alert stating that they should be using MSN search instead :)

12:18 am on Feb 3, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Google Directory updated on 216.239.39.104

Not the update of two weeks ago, a new one. Very significant movement of the PR in my niche too.

<edited... seems to have the old results flipping in and out, but the updated ones can always be brought back by refreshing the page a few times>

[edited by: steveb at 12:54 am (utc) on Feb. 3, 2005]

12:20 am on Feb 3, 2005 (gmt 0)

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"Walkman: Was this the site you lost around about September 23rd? If so then I too am seeing my site lost around then creeping back in and ranking well. It looks to me as if the sites which were only ranking well with &filter=0 after the URL and now ranking well on there own."

A site of mine which had enjoyed #1 rankings for over 2 years and weathered the Florida update, took a tumble in the google serps on sep 23rd 2004....Came back better than ever mid/end of december 2004....Now buried again.....

12:35 am on Feb 3, 2005 (gmt 0)

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A site of mine which had enjoyed #1 rankings for over 2 years and weathered the Florida update, took a tumble in the google serps on sep 23rd 2004....Came back better than ever mid/end of december 2004....Now buried again.....

Same here. I bet if someone was to volunteer to look at all of our sites affected in the same way they could find the common thread.

12:45 am on Feb 3, 2005 (gmt 0)

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&filter=0 brings it back to #1 again.....Looks like the duplicate content knob has been give a good tweak again.

[edited by: foxtunes at 12:51 am (utc) on Feb. 3, 2005]

12:51 am on Feb 3, 2005 (gmt 0)



You now do a search for our domain name.com and it shows up on the second page of results.

Insanity

12:55 am on Feb 3, 2005 (gmt 0)

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216.239.57.99 is nasty.... seems to be spreading across other datacenters.... sites missing... urghhh... Google...
1:10 am on Feb 3, 2005 (gmt 0)

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216.239.57.99 is nasty....

I think they are messing with us in some way 216.239.57.99 is the only one where my site is holding up but is sinking badly in .53.99 and .59.99.

1:46 am on Feb 3, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Do you think they ever make a datacenter go crazy, and then watch what IPs visit it and what keywords get typed in?
1:49 am on Feb 3, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Can we expect GoogleGuy to comment on this.

I haven't been following GoogleGuy recently and therefore I am hoping somebody can tell me when was the last time he posted regarding a Google update?

My site is completely vanished from this new set of, but still getting crawled all day today. Am I to assume the site is banned on account of it's not listed in the new rankings, or that it's not banned on account of that it's still getting crawled?

I've following Google for some time and I am very up-to-speed with their technology, but this current circumstances is something I've not seen before.

Has anybody had this happen before (site dissappear but still get crawled)? If so, what happened, and how long was the resolution.

The site in question has about 2000 in-links, had about 9,000 pages indexed, white hat, no downtime or anything server-wise that would cause issues..

Search for my brand name yields people about my products, but the entire brand name website is nowhere in site in these new results.

2:04 am on Feb 3, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Chico_Loco

if it's only a couple of days MIA try not to let it get to you have seen this with couple of my sites in the 12months old arena and they have come back within a week , have a look at other datacentres for cache dates to get an idea of when site was last indexed also look in last months logs for the weird GBOT IP that I believe does nothing more than check for duplicate content ( sorry can't remember IP address ) but have been few posts over the months about it .
then try checking for very specific text from your site on offending datacentre to see if site has been hijacked
just couple of ideas sorry if you have tried already

steve

2:13 am on Feb 3, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Our current site which is in the sandbox anyway had one section that ranked at position 380. Now that has vanished tonight!. What a joke.

I had given up with google anyway. I get ZERO referals from Google anyway despite having a content rich site with over 3000 sites that link to it. The SERPS are currently dire in any case.

At least we have Yahoo and MSN to work with. God knows what this current effort from Google is about, but looking at tonights updated results the index is worse than ever!.

2:14 am on Feb 3, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Something is screwy. In a search for my domain name I am no where to be found but with the &filter=0 I get number one and then 6 indents. Clean site lots of new content so so on. Well at least I am still getting traffic from some scraper sites I was ahead of.
2:25 am on Feb 3, 2005 (gmt 0)

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steve40,

Thank you for your reply. Even though duplicate content should not be an issue, I will hunt down that IP address for that duplicate content check bot (if anyone can point it out that would be great).

Did that other bot happen to use Mozilla in it's user-agent string as well as Googlebot - I did notice some request, which looked legit over the course of the year that used Googlebot, but also Mozilla - like one or 2 sessions every 2 months or something.

3:59 am on Feb 3, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Something weird is going on with my site.

Most of my pages are ranked much lower than before (just like what others reported here), but some of them stayed the same.

Anyone noticed this?

FYI, my site was down for 6 hrs on last Friday (January 28th).

Though, most of my pages are dated Feb 1st/2nd.

4:27 am on Feb 3, 2005 (gmt 0)



Do me a favor, search for your domain.com. Is it still retaining a number 1 position or has it dropped as well?

ps: letters on the way to Google about this filter
problem, if enough people write this time, maybe they would get a big ole clue

4:34 am on Feb 3, 2005 (gmt 0)



just FYI

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5:09 am on Feb 3, 2005 (gmt 0)



"And what of us that seem to be taking a big hit? Can you say that we didn't do our share? I've been working on new content for over a year and it's been progressively growing, however Google now wants to let me down, or so it would seem. "

since you chose to take this literally: E-mail Google at webmaster-at-google.com; I personally didn't do anything to your site. Thank you!

5:30 am on Feb 3, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I checked a couple data centers and all my keywords seemed to be where they were supposed to be +1/-1 the usual shuffle. The usual gang of idiots still seem to be hovering around my keywords, so I didn't notice anything too radiocal.

However, my keywords dropped of the face of the planet on MSN a week before beta went live. I'm still waiting on the MSIDIOTS to explain that one, and my competitors disappeared as well.

But thats another thread....

6:03 am on Feb 3, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Interesting to see the similarities between this thread and the one 6 weeks ago at [webmasterworld.com...] . Seems to me there is something of a reversal going on - I see a number of people commenting here with the opposite of what they commented in the last thread. Seems to me that whatever they tweaked last time seems to be something similar this time around. Perhaps not a complete reversal of the past as others seem to be impacted this time - but similar sorts of conversation. Just my two cents worth.
7:48 am on Feb 3, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Huge change! My long standing flagship site went into Google purgatory last September. Now its roaring back. Great rankings again, and tons of traffic.

I've been through this sort of stuff before. I made absolutely no changes with the site when it tanked in September. Now its back. Go figure.

7:53 am on Feb 3, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Thanks god I am back in the top 10 results for all my keywords. I was starting to believe that I had COMPLETELY disappeared because I stopped paying for ADWORDS.
LOOKING GOOD :)
7:56 am on Feb 3, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Interesting to see the similarities between this thread and the one 6 weeks ago at [webmasterworld.com...] . Seems to me there is something of a reversal going on - I see a number of people commenting here with the opposite of what they commented in the last thread. Seems to me that whatever they tweaked last time seems to be something similar this time around. Perhaps not a complete reversal of the past as others seem to be impacted this time - but similar sorts of conversation. Just my two cents worth.

I could not agree more.
8:09 am on Feb 3, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Neither the September tweak or the December 16 tweak had any affect on my site; this one has.

This is something new and bad - at least in my area. Yes the SERPs used to contain a smattering of affiliate sites, but at least they were bang on topic. Now everything seems to have been replaced with generic shopping comparision (affiliate) sites with zillions of pages and no focus or real value.

Suggy

8:24 am on Feb 3, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Since when did Google read / follow affiliate links?

I mean the kind that refer to one of the intermediaries (Affiliate Window / Tradedoubler / etc) before redirecting.

I have just had a look a one of the sites in my market that's held it's position. Backlinks show numerous references to pages that only contain affiliate links through Affiliate Window to that site. Is this new?

Suggy

8:24 am on Feb 3, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I'm definitely seeing major changes, not just the usual shuffling.

It looks as if they've turned down (again) the weighting given to TITLE and Hx tags. Whenever they do this it results in SERPs showing more irrelevant pages that just happen to mention the search term once or twice. That's what I'm seeing today.

This sort of change hits spammers aiming junk pages at single valuable key phrases. Unfortunately it also clobbers specific, highly relevant niche pages with spot-on content.

Which is exactly the sort of page I want to find as a user. So much for "content is king".

9:36 am on Feb 3, 2005 (gmt 0)

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oziii

agree fully, same thing happened/happens to one of my sites.
For about 80 keywords i am back in top 10 positions as i've been before (OK, not really competitive ones, but ones that give you 10 visits a day each).

I noticed even that the pages got their PR back (they went from 2 to 0 in dec)

10:29 am on Feb 3, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Yeah I'm definitely seeing some major shifts.. some of my sites way up, some way down, some new faces in the top of the SERPs too.

Overall, commerce sites seem to be losing out a little to informational sites, but I guess your mileage may vary.

10:57 am on Feb 3, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Valeyard - agree with you

We operate a very rich in content job site. All of our main sector pages are out the index now and so are our dedicated Job areas. We never featured anywhere high with Google anyway but now we are out altogether.

Meanwhile the same old sites in the top ten remain, why i have no idea other than the Google Algo favours sites over a certain age irrespective of content.

Content is certainly no longer a factor.

Search on the search term "insurance Jobs" and the results are just dire. Our dedicated section would be high in content for this search term, yet sites about being gay, divorced, life insurance, buying a car and travel insurance for holidays feature high in the results.

Just when you think Google cant get any worse

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