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Major Google Changes

Significant movements in rankings.

         

Imaster

2:12 pm on Dec 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Hi,

It seems that a major google update is under way. I just checked www.google.com with the normal set of keywords that I generally use to monitor any changes and found what I believe is a major update. Now its back to original results. Its kinda on and off.

One of my site had a 50% increase in the number of pages crawled.

I hadn't much chance to check out whether the update spells good news or not, so lets keep our fingers crossed.

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worker

3:08 pm on Dec 21, 2004 (gmt 0)

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After waiting to see if this algorythm was going to hold, I've begun doing some reviews of the search results where my site use to dominate.

While there are a few search terms that are producing results that could be argued to be as good or better than the 'old' search results, the VAST majority of results are not better. In fact, they are significantly lacking. While most have some connection to the search term, the connection is fairly weak...and there are some sites/pages that seem completely out of place.

The reason I think the results are lacking is that the sites presented don't seem to be authorities on the search term. In fact, they seem somewhat weak with regards to the search term.

I had come to view Google's SERPS as able to identify the sites most likely to have either the most information on a topic, or some unique relationship to the topic, to warrant a strong position (in the SERPS).

It appears that whatever change they have made, has de-valued the authority concept for the seach terms I follow.

While I admit to being biased, I think I am being fair in my assessment of the changes in the SERPS. In the few cases where I found sites that seemed to be strong sites for the search term, I'm looking at how I'd like to partner with them.

For the most part though, I find this change by Google to be incredibly confusing. It doesn't seem to produce the best sites for the topics searched, so it seems contrary to their stated goals.

I'm hoping that this is just part of a bigger change that we can't see yet, and that things will change again significantly soon.

suggy

3:12 pm on Dec 21, 2004 (gmt 0)

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twebdonny - v. arrogant!

Whilst I wouldn't consider 100k visitors a month a colossal amount, I think it's enough to see when things have changed! Plus, we're all watching our SERPS not traffic, so neither of your ASSumptions are correct.

twebdonny

3:15 pm on Dec 21, 2004 (gmt 0)



Arrogant, No? Brutally Honest? Yes

suggy

3:16 pm on Dec 21, 2004 (gmt 0)

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So you don't think 100,000 visitors a month is enough to tell?

twebdonny

3:44 pm on Dec 21, 2004 (gmt 0)



so suggy, what are you tryng to say? No update? No Changes in Serps? No Algo change? What?

WebFusion

4:19 pm on Dec 21, 2004 (gmt 0)

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those not seeing such, either didn't get much traffic to begin with or are drawing from and old cache.

Nope...I got plenty of free traffic before, and just about all our sites/pages jumped quite a bit (with a corresponding jump in traffic/sales). In addition, over 50% of the pages on our main site have fresh tags showing (as of right now) 19 Dec.

Kind of a nice Christmas present, really (wish this would have happened 6 weeks ago!).

But again...free traffic is just the icing on the cake. I don't need google to make a living.

suggy

4:26 pm on Dec 21, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I am trying to say that, it's arrogant to assume that the reason I and others don't see much of an update is because we have too few visitors to notice. It also isn't going to help your analysis!

The fact is, I operate in a competitive and totally commercial area. Many two word terms return 20 million odd page matches. And, yet I see very little movement in the SERPS.

What I suspect I am seeing is a reduction in the impact of INTERNAL links within a site. Sites with thousands of pages that relied on the huge number of anchor texts they can create within their own sites to their own pages, appear to have slipped modestly - rather than plummeted.

That's all.

And, as much as I hate getting all annoyed, I don't like to see contributors' opinions written off wholesale as naive and irrelevant.

Suggy

nuevojefe

7:37 pm on Dec 21, 2004 (gmt 0)

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While I totally think AdSense improving your rankings is a crap theory, I think someone at google needs to inform one of google's answerers if it really is crap.

[answers.google.com...]

check out Answer 2)!

Marc_P

7:55 pm on Dec 21, 2004 (gmt 0)

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One of the sites I run received 24-25,000 Unique visits each day from Google, and it has been receiving this traffic for a long time. Since last week's update, it receives about 4,000 unique visits per day.

It does not rely on tons of internal links at all. The site grew over time to approximately 300 pages today, each page has a lot of real external links. Because the site is quality, I'm quite confident this update is not over, but I am geting a little nervous to be honest.

Elixir

8:19 pm on Dec 21, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Starting to feel very much like "post florida"....Hopefully the next two months will pan out like the two months after Florida and the results will get back to the quality they were after Florida was fully implemented and the results settled.

nuevojefe

8:38 pm on Dec 21, 2004 (gmt 0)

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This update is very interesting and unique in that there are so many sandboxed sites belonging to webmasters whom will never know what effect (for the most part) this update had on their site(s) because they weren't ranking anyway.

webdude

8:47 pm on Dec 21, 2004 (gmt 0)

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mmmmmmm --- methinks this happens everytime about this time of year. Check back in this forum to see if I am correct. Why these tweaks always happen right before the holidays is beyond me. I personally have not seen a significant change as of yet, however, one page dropped 100 for about 2 days then came back to its original position.

One thing I have noticed though, and I am not sure if this is related, my stats show a big increase of referals from yahoo and msn. In fact, where google used to always dominate in the referals, just the opposite is now the case. This has happened the last 3 weeks. Yahoo pulling about 40% while msn is at 35% and google shows about 10%. I find this odd since my positions in the SERPs have not changed.

mmmmmmmmmm --- another holiday fiasco it seems for some of you out there.

zeus

9:07 pm on Dec 21, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Marc p - It sounds a lot like my problem I got about 38.000 unique a day no I get 4 from Google everyday, this started 3 nov., I think this happens because og Googles inability to differ from a real site and a site that is redirecting to you or some script links.

I hope the best for you, try a site:yourdomain.com and a inurl:yourdomain.com look for other sites you dont know.

IRWINjim

9:50 pm on Dec 21, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I've seen some changes in my ranking.... wait... I actually only see the changes in my PC. My Macintosh gives me the same old results.

Hmmm... does Google serve up different results to differnt platforms?

rocco

10:47 pm on Dec 21, 2004 (gmt 0)

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if you want to have your sites reappear add :

&filter=0

to the google url after the search, you will be astonished

(if this was already posted in this thread, then sorry)

Marc_P

10:51 pm on Dec 21, 2004 (gmt 0)

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if you want to have your sites reappear add :
&filter=0

to the google url after the search, you will be astonished

(if this was already posted in this thread, then sorry)

Doesn't work for my site.

adfree

11:33 pm on Dec 21, 2004 (gmt 0)

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&filter=0 - what's it mean?
Using this, I still show up among top results, not using it drowns me...

Nikke

11:40 pm on Dec 21, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Oh wonder and glory!

One of the sites I have been competing with for some of my keywords has totally disappeared. Even though it was a site from a form of "industry leader", it was stuffing zillions of hidden keywords on an entry-site that also sent visitors a cookie before letting them into their Flash site.

They where within the top five for lots of the keywords I'm watching, and now... well I can ... kind of ... find them for their company name.

Way to go Google!

Guess what site is no #1 for these keywords...
Edited some of my tired spelling

Marval

11:44 pm on Dec 21, 2004 (gmt 0)

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that &filter=0 is from the old days when Googleguy posted it here as a way to see if a filter was hitting due to dupe content I believe - it also shows a site I was concerned with as being afflicted with this - although I thought the DMCA I posted to Google would take care of the problem as its been two months and the offending sites were removed

[webmasterworld.com...] was the right thread I believe

I also noticed that the inurl results for this site also show a version of the domain with www.domain%20.com which kind of surprised me

[edited by: Marval at 11:47 pm (utc) on Dec. 21, 2004]

bether2

11:46 pm on Dec 21, 2004 (gmt 0)

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&filter=0 - what's it mean?

This is the parameter that gets tacked on to the end of the search string when you click the "repeat the search with the omitted results included" link.

tictoc

11:47 pm on Dec 21, 2004 (gmt 0)

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How do you apply the &filter=0

do you type in the term or website then &filter=0?

yankee

11:50 pm on Dec 21, 2004 (gmt 0)

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It's quite simple....google quality control engineers are on vacation until after the new year. Don't expect quality results until they get back.

Merry Xmas!

twebdonny

11:52 pm on Dec 21, 2004 (gmt 0)



&filter=0

Don't see any change at all to Serps

bether2

11:53 pm on Dec 21, 2004 (gmt 0)

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How do you apply the &filter=0
do you type in the term or website then &filter=0?

Type in your search phrase and click the Search button. Then add "&filter=0" to the resulting URL and press Enter (or click Go, or whatever).

zeus

12:01 am on Dec 22, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I dont think many of you will se a different in the serps, when set the filter

rocco

3:07 am on Dec 22, 2004 (gmt 0)

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zeus

i see MANY sites which are ranked low without &filter=0 and most of them have their content stolen 100 fold either as the exact same website on another domain (even without pr) or as part of a huge website or as part in one of those 1000's of fake directories.

imo this is a very evil thing and google is not able to handle it. this seems to be the very same problem that was addressed in summer only that it became worse.

fiu88

4:15 am on Dec 22, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Interesting ...I'm now in the top 200...I wanst even in the top 1000 before.....
I wish I could get my multiple page 1 listings on Yahoo duplicated on Google.....

walkman

4:25 am on Dec 22, 2004 (gmt 0)



"this seems to be the very same problem that was addressed in summer only that it became worse."

Now even the site who has the content stolen or "hijacked" via a 302 is penalized, big time. Usually that is the homepage so you can kiss all your rankings good bye since everything is linked from there..

Google screwed up but they don't even seem to want to admit it. They cranked the dupe filter while leaving this serious bug. Yahoo already fixed this problem.

Shurik

5:21 am on Dec 22, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Walkman, I think you just nailed it. This is precisely what i observe with my site. My home page was linked to via a 302 redirect. It never bothered me as it did not affect my ranking. About a week ego the home page slowly starter to loose ranking (i check daily). Now my home page does not rank at all - not even for its 6 word title. Hijacker does not rank either. Both are still listed but no ranking. My internal pages are now taking place of the home page but with much worth positions. It sure looks like a dup content filter tightening to me.

Too bad most people in this thread just wasting their time b****ing instead of looking into possible cause.

eyezshine

5:43 am on Dec 22, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I saw an update a few days ago but now it looks like it's back to the old one.

My traffic keeps going up and then down during the day. I hope the traffic that goes up is the new update and not the old.

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