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10:54 pm on May 31, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I see new backlinks here:
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1:30 am on June 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

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My tool bar updated for each of 50 new pages that we added. They are 1 lower then I wanted, but hey at least they have a PR now.
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Hooray! *dances a jig* Things are very good!
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Hooray! *dances a jig* Things are very good!

I have been wondering about this *jig* - especially after reading about it in Clavell's Shogun and Taipan. Time to utilize Google for some important research work.

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SO far so good! I've made it to #3 out of 4,060,000 with this update. I was wiped off the map in November.
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SO far so good! I've made it to #3 out of 4,060,000 with this update. I was wiped off the map in November.

OK I'm off to **** to see if I've been struck by the same magic

1:42 am on June 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

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>>the toolbar PR hasn't been updated, (not that I can see yet), but the algo backlinks etc have been.

You mean just backlinks? I'm not seeing any algo/SERP shifts.

>>Then again, my traffic always seems to do better on months that google reduces the number of backlinks that they report. The big difference in the count seems to be the number of my internal pages that they count as backlinks.

LOL. me2. Furthermore, I haven't asked for a single link since the OOP scare and have never done better aside from a few that are in the sandbox for laziness.

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I have been wondering about this *jig* - especially after reading about it in Clavell's Shogun and Taipan. Time to utilize Google for some important research work.

Shock Horror! You don't know what a jig is? You haven't lived till you've danced a jig. (Far less stressful than a Google Dance)
1:48 am on June 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

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if the toolbar PR hasn't updated then why did it go from PR6 to PR5?

Sorry Darkroom... I'm not seeing any toolbar change yet but it might just be the dc I'm hitting. I've been checking a bunch of new pages and the ones online since a couple of weeks ago are showing backlinks.

Our PR hasn't changed here yet, still PR6 for several of the main pages and PR5 for another bunch, and then the rest PR4, except for the pages post-Apr 15 that are still zero, (but showing backlinks).

My backlinks increaset with over 1,700, but my PR fell from 6 to 5. And I have quite a few PR8 home pages linking to me.

We have 33 backlinks to the index.htm, half of them our own, and a high PR6, (judging by the pages a click down that are also PR6). It's not quantity, it's quality. If those PR8 pages have you listed with a hundred other links, it's worth squat.

And anyway, anything at PR5 or better seems to be good enough for good serps.

[edited by: Stefan at 1:59 am (utc) on June 1, 2004]

1:52 am on June 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

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>>My backlinks increaset with over 1,700, but my PR fell from 6 to 5. And I have quite a few PR8 home pages linking to me.

Try to verify that those pages are actually conferring PR to pages they link to. That's not always the case - it sometimes can be "have PR but can't pass it on."

I've had some links removed and that's now being reflected for the first time. It is not making any difference in the rankings.

It kind of looks like whatever counts toward scoring, including links, is a given fact beforehand. But I have to question what the fact that we're getting to see it now actually represents, beyond the fact that the link count is now being made visible to us.

2:07 am on June 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Just confirming that I do now see PageRank on some new sites in the Google Toolbar.
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Seing higher Pagerank on my sites as of today. Confirmed so far ---> Google Pagerank update.

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My site's PR decreased from 5 to 4, even though the new backlink shows Google directory for the first time...

No change in the SERP and traffic, though.

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It seems there is an update of PageRank for some sites, but not all as yet. I have some new sites showing backlinks, but no PageRank.
3:42 am on June 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

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My site's PR decreased from 5 to 4, even though the new backlink shows Google directory for the first time... No change in the SERP and traffic, though.
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um. same here. every site that was 5 (which is all but one) dropped to 4.

I've got one PR7 site out there that just decreased to 5. but I assume that's cause I went from asp to php all the links changed. I'd bet that goes back to 7 once google realizes the old index no longer exists.

but most of my sites were pr5. now pr4. no change in serp or traffic. maybe to many links between the sites?

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>>went from asp to php all the links changed.

I watched a site closely that changed from htm to shtml pages, and through the month the changes were reflected on an ongoing basis, with them going no title/no description/url only. They're normal now, and the new pages started showing PR, too. Couldn't you use mod_rewrite or ISAPI_rewrite if on a Windows box?

Updates just aren't how they used to be, are they?

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PR "update"?

Pages crawled on May 1st still are showing whitebars. Something is wrong in Googleland again.

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Google directory too got updated. But my links don't reflect that.
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Apart from changing the length of little green bars everywhere and adding a few backlinks what exactly has changed? Nothing. It is good to get the PR though.
4:34 am on June 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

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The widespread repercussions of Google removing the Directory link from its main page are more clear now. The Google Directory goes to PR9.

Interesting to see how Google's alleged real estate and/or personal search prioritization has directly lead to the reduction of PR for quality sites all across the Internet.

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Pages crawled on May 1st still are showing whitebars. Something is wrong in Googleland again.

Or is the problem that you are actually paying attention to that stupid little green (white) bar.

You should know as well as anyone by now how useless it is to worry about toolbar PR. How are those pages doing in the SERPs?

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"How are those pages doing in the SERPs?"

Um, I knew that yesterday. Aggressive ignorance is not a way to succeed at anything. If you don't understand the significance of "the little green bar" ignore it. But if you want to know why certain things are so, then gathering data is important.

In the case of today, there are at least two extremely useful bits of information readily apparent, which both offer evidence of reasons for two important phenomenon.

4:42 am on June 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

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So, does anyone see listed in their backlinks pages named "links.htm" or "links.html"?

I have seen a 50% reduction in backlinks, and the loss appears to be so named pages - every last one of them.

Still maintaining a PR 5, but I believe it has dropped from a high (almost 6) to a mid to low 5. All internal pages (many with links of their own) have dropped to a 4.

Frustrating, since I had achieved a 6 for one PR update a few months ago.

On the other hand, it has not significantly effected rankings.

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So, does anyone see listed in their backlinks pages named "links.htm" or "links.html"?

Surprisingly I'm showing a new backlink on a directory link page with the title "Links".
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Having experienced "a significant loss in backlinks" many times, i want to tell you it's not a big deal. As PageRank theory goes, the more Google indexes, a greater number of pages will gain a lower rank. You still have the links. The problem is that Google keep sgrowing in size. Are you growing in size?
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AFter reading the conditions and opinions regarding the GOOGLE update, I just want to ask how long will these changes be in effect. Will there be another update to restore the changes?

Another thing I want to know, I'm making new sites, how should I make these sites SEARCH ENGINE FRIENDLY. Is there any thing new which I should consider to optimise these sites for SEs?
Kindly help.

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You should know as well as anyone by now how useless it is to worry about toolbar PR. How are those pages doing in the SERPs?

I have to agree on this.
My site's back links have been reduced from 1000+ down to 450(most lost are internal links I guess) as of today in the last 2 updates, PR stays the same with 6, but ranking has been all the way up, beats many pr 7, 8 sites.

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So, does anyone see listed in their backlinks pages named "links.htm" or "links.html"?

Well, my links.php pages are still showing up as backlinks. And [uscourts.gov...] is showing up as a backlink, so they aren't all gone.

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My cache is showing very old, yesterday I had a newer page in the cache, now some 2 weeks old page, whats happening? Is something wrong there? This is happening with only one site of mine.

Any comments. I will get a sleep and will come after two days to a much stable world.

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>Well, my links.php pages are still showing up as backlinks. And [uscourts.gov...] is showing up as a backlink, so they aren't all gone.<

Only internal links on the uscourts site. Outbound links are on a page named "allinks.html"

<edit>The links page on the site in your profile does not link out under the word "links". It has a variable appended, e.g. "links.php?list=mfrlinks" Still looking for a "links.****" page listed as a backlink.</edit>

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6:29 am on June 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

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My home page in IE is a new page of mine. When I started IE I immediately saw a PR where none had been before and the same on many other new pages - or old pages with new addresses. Now all that seems to be gone again. Must be a question of hitting the right datacenter or not. (Which should not surprise anybody at this early stage.) The backlinks shown seem to be stable, though.

AND the SERPs? Old daily routine with small changes from one day to another.

I'll do like AjiNIMC and turn my back on PR for a couple of days, then come back and investigate the tendencies in more depth. For now the important thing form my very personal point of view is that my new pages are making their way in the proces of completely establishing themselves in Google's database. That's just one of the things that the little green bar tells.

vaniaul:
> how should I make these sites SEARCH ENGINE FRIENDLY

That question really deserves a discussion in some depth. I suggest that you ask it in Search Engine Promotion [webmasterworld.com]. The short answer is: Make your sites USER friendly. Validate your HTML. Make the code slim and unbloated.

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