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For my search, -in has just propogated its results to
-ex, -cw, and -fi.
Sigh of relief.
I don't see any movement in serps but I did see your post in the other forum.........
I am very happy with it. I have seen a lot of hard work paying off. ogletree
Same with me :)
Sites that have vanished for no particular reason that are small but rich in content like 100 page web sites related to a particular theme, providing unique content, good links to imformative sites and sticking to the rules of Google.
Sites that have 30,000 pages with only 2 pages of related content out perform those nice semi-pro 100 related page sites.
SERP's providing links to the Google, Dmoz and Yahoo directories instead of providing relative web sites. Those directory listings are then showing links to the same sites that have been dropped :)
www2, www3 and www-in show different results, no change in backlinks and no PR in the toolbar. Plus GG says "We are having fun" with these servers?
I have counted 3 major shifts in results since 16th November plus the usual fresh bot listings every two days.
So why should I change my pages now with all this erractic behavior?
All the local companies in our region have been knocked out and replaced my major sites from the BBC, Manchesteronline, Trip advisor etc with hardly anything related to our region.
Usually, if I lost my rankings by a page or so I would be very worried, however seen as our site has now been bombed like all the other competitors in the region theirs nothing to worry about. In our region we now have no good companies providing a great travel resource or travel service due to this update.
Does seem apparent that big keyword searches for hotel accommodation, apartments or other top level keywords are fine however as soon as a destination is placed after the keywords things begin to look a bit messy in certain areas.
Not a lot I can do nor will do seen as their nothing I can see I did wrong. One site has been knocked down but still appears occasionally has 4 domains linking to each other and a very highly optimized index page more so then other web sites. No OOP has been applied and their keyword density is the highest amoungst our competitors. Site has plenty of links out and in as part of a link exchange program.
Some sites with hidden text are still managing to get through and sites with no hidden text and plenty of readable content have been punished.
Keep hanging on to hope :) (running out soon)
This is the major problem with Google's new algorithm.
I admire the work of Google their performance, ideas and innovative ideas however they are punishing sites that seemed to be over optimized either because of SEO or by mistake of the site creator.
Some webmasters dont perform any SEO or think about SEO but have made the mistake of putting just one too many keywords in his/her page. Google punishes this page because of SEO and its dislike of SEO.
I would much prefer Google spend every working hour looking at ways of ridding the hidden text and Spamlinking techniques and try improving the indexing of dynamic pages then looking at ways to punish good sites for a little over optimization.
If a web page is overoptimized then it should rank slightly less maybe by 1 page to give the site the benefit of the doubt not lay down the rules and bomb it from exsistance and deprive the user the chance of finding this site that might actually be what they are looking for.
Google's hate of SEO could lead them to ruining their own success.
I think Google will have to be careful laying out the penalties like this, they should just knock points off not ban.
Anyway its now snowing heavy here in Prague so it looks like we will have a white christams. :)
All the best everyone!
The number of results showing has also dropped from around 100k to 24k.
Is anyone else seeing alnything like this?
For our top KW, www-1 has just changed to show different results from www-2 & www-3.
The number of results showing has also dropped from around 100k to 24k.Is anyone else seeing alnything like this?
I dont know if i should say this but i have been seeing different results for last 24 hours. Some times i see results from www2 on www and sometimes same as old results. I have never seen such behaviour previously so I am a bit worried about posting this reply.
There are still sites listed for this kw phrase that are clearly irrelevant, but my site (which is highly relevant) is completely gone?
Hi Eljaybe,
Same thing here. I was completely dropped mid November came back in at #45 now that small glimer of hope has been snuffed out as on -in and other DCs that -in has propogated to, I'm down at #540.
Even though I think that I now understand what has happened to the algo to cause this change I find it very difficult to accept that a search term which is very specific and used almost exclusively in the UK and Australia is being interpreted as its more general US term and then stemmed, synonymed and generally bas***dised by a US English centric guessing machine.
Ho! Ho! Ho! tis the season of good cheer!
Best wishes
Sid
Same thing here too. A lot of the irrelevant sites have links pointing to them from .edu and .gov domains.
For my two-word keyword phrase I was #1 pre-Florida... GONE with Florida, then back to about #13 about a week ago and #2 with the new
-in which by the way is STILL alone with it's results here in California.
I have a highly optimized site but no spam/cheating. I feel sure that I was subjected to an OOP that has now been dialed way back but not eliminated.
NOW this "update" has us on the second page for both. Not so bad as the immediate Florida results, but enough to cause a blow to my ego.
I am quite encouraged by this kind of positive response and certainly feel the serps have improved over the weekend.
OT Finally 63-tks
WooHoo!
The new SERPs are excellent; I'm thrilled. Stop whingeing everyone!
Unfortunately, I'm at No 1 on the only non-commercial combination of my keywords available. That is, the two keywords no-one will ever type in :(
WooHoo?
Niet, Non, No! - it's no cause for celebration. Because if I'm number one on a non-commerce phrase, then I'm clearly not being penalised, and my high PR still counts - as long as the search term isn't too commercial.
Well I can't give away all my secrets.
LORD- you dont have any secrets and if you actually did it would benefit you to share with your fellow colleagues so that your ideas can be developed and further refined.
Progress is seldom made when true facts are hidden - furthermore its been my experience that more often than not when individuals state "my secrets" they often have no knowledge at all!
Sorry - tired of seeing foobs run around as if they knew everything - hell If I knew everything E.G. had secrets I wouldnt be here posting that I had secrets!
I'm beginning to wonder how much all of us - including me - over the last two years or so have totally overestimated what is called Google's spam filters. With every little change in algorithm or index update thousands of webmasters are asking themselves, what have I done wrong, why has Google penalized my site, etc. etc. Fact is:
- The percentage of spam sites and sites using "forbidden" techniques has increased in Google's index over the last two years, not only since the Florida update
- The majority of those sites that got penalized haven't done anything wrong
I had a "test site" going for several months now. It has PR4 and I have tried virtually every spam technique on this site that I could imagine: linking to penalized sites, using invisible texts and links, cloaking, etc.
Result: the site never ever has been penalized, its PR lowered or whatever.
In my opinion all this talk about spam filters is just something created by Google itself to give people the impression of Google being on the forefront of technological developments. What in fact really happens is that every now and then there is a RANDOM change in Google's algorithm, without any sense, and with each update a certain percentage of websites is RANDOMLY dropped from the index. The result is the desired one anyway: Google looks like being "dynamic" and stays in the discussions, and thousands of webmasters are becoming even more careful about doing "forbidden" things on their sites. However, thousands of other webmasters have also realized that the spam filters are non-existent and keep stuffing the index with their crap.
Overall, Google used to be a good search engine - it isn't anymore. I say this from the standpoint of a search engine user, not a webmaster. None of my sites ever got penalized, so no reason for me to be mad at Google. It's just that the overall quality of the search results is a lot worse than it used to be. For me there are better search engines around (again)...
I'm pretty slap happy with the new SERPs - back at Number One with a two keyword phrase :)
New SERPs, I dont see any new SERPs not even in the datacenters except www-in. Has there been any change.
-in has propogated to all the other datacenters either for SOME PEOPLE, or for SOME SEARCHES. i'm not sure how this is working, but basically, some people see the propogation and some don't. Whether or not that has to do with who is looking or with what they are looking at, i'm not sure. In any case, -in is propogating (has already propogated for some), so I would assume everyone will see the changes eventually.
Rest all is pretty unsure, I see everything changed now *again*. G some stablity is needed.
- The percentage of spam sites and sites using "forbidden" techniques has increased in Google's index over the last two years, not only since the Florida update
- The majority of those sites that got penalized haven't done anything wrong
For the keywords I monitor I agree with your first point.
I also agree with point two. I have very simple webpages that at one time were ranked consistently in the top ten.
They had no forbidden techniques included cause I'm not smart enough to use them anyway.
These pages had no changes
made to them over the last year but were banished to the Google graveyard for some(?) reason.
Over the past year Google related traffic to these pages has decreased over 90%. I keep daily traffic records and am sickened when I compare traffic one year ago to now.
What is Google?
