www2 www3 and -in offline

[SEOPTI]

Can't get it loaded from Europe.

[JoeyBall]

My sites that were that were deleted during the florida update hasn't come back yet, i wonder if they have been permanently excluded from google?

The serps look alot better but still were are all those missing sites.

[superscript]

Hi JoeyBall, (or anyone else with similar experience)

Were the sites definitely de-indexed, or did they just plummet in the SERPs? Was it a site-wide penalty, or specific to certain pages? I'm also curious what the toolbar displays in sites/pages that have *definitely* been de-indexed during Florida.

[JoeyBall]

Hi superscript,

Just a few days after the google update florida my sites dissappeared. if i type www.mysite.com i don't get any information. It donesn't show the cache pages either. but it still retains the pr6 and the backlinks and the similar pages.

I don't know what to do to get them back online? do you have any ideas.

[codex]

I have sites that have been completely removed for any useful search term, and hence are getting virtually no traffic. They do still have pr though, and you can find them if you search for fairly specific terms on the page. They are really just being filtered out because of cross linking and over optimisation.

The obvious answer to me is not to start creating more new sites that fit in with google, keeping existing ones, but to work on the best sites you have and start losing those with duplicate content on. The question I have is how you best achieve that goal....

[superscript]

In each case, was the entire site de-indexed, or were there any cases of individual pages being de-indexed, but the bulk of a site surviving?

[bether2]

-in is looking better to me for both commercial and non-commercial search terms.

Beth

[skipfactor]

>>I see no correction in the real estate industry.

Like the last -in tinkering, it looks less promising than the current situation.

[wanna_learn]

I was just searching some information about on -in , the results are far superior then www ...with lesser spam and more related sites.

[nileshkurhade]

Its been a month since the Florida update and there seems to be some activity on www2, www3 and www-in. The sites have switched positions again. But in this case my site has got the top position in www2, www3 and www-in. Its still unclear whether I will get the top position in www also.

[nileshkurhade]

I am checking www2, www3 and -in for the last 2-3 days. But the results on them are not spilling over to www.

Any idea. I think the SERPs are good.

[edited by: nileshkurhade at 2:17 pm (utc) on Dec. 20, 2003]

[vbjaeger]

I am liking the 2,3 and -in and hope they stick. Looks like -fi is making a shift as well. Anybody else see changes in -fi?

[nileshkurhade]

The SERPs from www2, www3 and www-n have indeed populated all the datacenters

.

Is this a update?

[superscript]

The SERPs from www2, www3 and www-n have indeed populated all the datacenters

I'm not seeing this, -in is still restricted to WWW2 and 3

[nileshkurhade]

Is there a difference between www-dc.google.com/ie search and entering KWs at www-dc.google.com. I see reults have spilled from www-in to datacenters with www-dc.googlecom/ie?q search

[andy_boyd]

I'm seeing movement on www2, www3 and -in from Northern Ireland. Don't really like the look of this. :-(

[ogletree]

I am very happy with it. I have seen a lot of hard work paying off.

[SlyOldDog]

Some up some down. No big preference here. If these are the positions after the next update that's ok for me. If there's no update, that's ok too.

[yvt360]

I do agree, I like www2, and www3, can someone explain these to me though, I found a website that gives me the placement of sites for these but I can reproduce the results anywhere, not even on the Google Directory.

Directories:
www.~.com
www.~.de
www.~.ch
www.~.at

[Essex_boy]

Guess so my rank is up and down.

All very odd.

[Hissingsid]

Hi,

Looking at the results on -in I think that the engineers at Google may be expanding one particular ellement in the new algo.

Post Florida the most striking thing in SERPs (except for the absense of my pages) was the fact that all of those big-blue-widget.com, hyphenated generic domains had slipped from SERPs when searching for blue widget. Now I think that the results on -in are using CIRCA domain name sensing technology to split the domain names into tokens and "filtering" domain names that broadly match the meaning of the search term.

So if someone searched for blue widgets and your domain name was cobaltwidget.com I'm suggesting that it would be dealt with by the algo in the same way as blue-widget.com. We know that they can do this "Google's semantic technology to "understand" the meaning of each domain name" from the Domain Park web page.

Is anyone else seeing this or am I off my head (again).

Best wishes

Sid

[ciml]

> off my head

I think so, just like the rest of us. :-)

The people who use keyword1-keyword2-keyword3.com quite often use SEO tactics that Google don't like.

[rfgdxm1]

>The people who use keyword1-keyword2-keyword3.com quite often use SEO tactics that Google don't like.

This may be more significant. Note that keyword in domain name, including in non-hyphenated form, tends to be strongly correlated with relevance for those keywords. Penalizing just for this makes little sense. On this argument, webmasterworld.com should be penalized for any search including "webmaster".

[Excel]

So if someone searched for blue widgets and your domain name was cobaltwidget.com I'm suggesting that it would be dealt with by the algo in the same way as blue-widget.com.

I believe Google has always done this. While it wont bold the term/word in the string I believe they can parse it very easily.

[Hissingsid]

I believe Google has always done this. While it wont bold the term/word in the string I believe they can parse it very easily.

Hi,

I've noticed what I think is a step change in this on -in. We know that Adsense and Domain park use CIRCA to sense the meaning of a domain name what I'm asking is are we seeing that this has been switched on in web searches.

So for example someone searches for blue widget.

All of these domain names are sensed as having "something to do with" that topic.

cobaltwidgetology.com
widgetcolors.com
colors4widgets.com
widgetsRazure.com

-In my own case this does seem to be being used on -in. You have to go down to result number 50 for the biggest earning term before you find a domain name with either of the two words in it. there are only 5 in the first 200 that have one of the words in them, I stopped looking at 200.

Now my domain name and company name is like widgetology and I have a major competitor called like widgetsure. Widgetsure is a closer semantic match to the search than widgetology. On -in widgetology (a brand name) is found at about #540 and I can't find widgetsure (also a brand name).

Is this the new toy that they have been playing with? Should Burger King change its name to scran?

Should I follow Googles example and Brand my company something completely dissociated from what I am serving.

In fact Google could be Go ogle. Do a search for define:ogle.

Best wishes

Sid

[allanp73]

I believe the choice in the domain should either boost or not help rankings, but should never be penalized. One of my sites citykeyword existed before Google. The name was choosen because is makes it obvious to the user what it is about. Penalizing the site because it contains the keyword doesn't make sense.

[netnerd]

I agree allenp. What i would fear is that they are taking a relevant domain name to be counted as one of the factors that a page needs , and adding it to the other factors (in basic terms).

So if you have widget in the title, and they only want to see 3 widgets on your page, then maybe you should only have 2 widgets on the page in this case to avoid a penalty

Just a theory...

[vbjaeger]

I do not see this happening Hissingsid. We sell "widget management software", and the product name (which the entire site is about) is call "Widget Manager."

We disappeared after florida and are back on -in at #2 with fresh dates. The main difference that I am now seeing is that the term "widget management software" is no longer enough to be relevent because those terms can carry multiple meanings. You site has to have enough additional terms related to your field to help.

Before we re-emerged, the sites that survived florida were all using additional terms that help identify the relevency. I added those words and we are back.

For instance, Looking at Google's directory, follow the directory headers to find the most relevent terms. Our product was located in the "Widget Management Software" section of the directory, but it is a sub-directory of "Something Else".

I introduced the terms "Something Else" into my description and a few other places on my page.

Now please note, that we probably would have re-appeared in the first place, and it was only a matter of time. We have only one domain, no duplicate content, we have an even mix of anchor text in our backlinks between our domain name and some keywords, and no obvious violations that we are aware of. I just dont think we did a very good job of identifying or describing what type of widget management software we offered.

As far as the other datacenters, we are still bouncing between top 10 and top 50. With fresh dates, we are at the bottom, and when the dates disappear from the page, we are at the top. Strange...

[synergy]

How is www2, www3, and -in looking for everyone?

The top10 I watch are 80% relevant. Much better than the 10% relevance seen after Florida.

[mcavill]

> How is www2, www3, and -in looking for everyone?

better for the SERP's I watch as well

[MetropolisRobot]

The results are better, but they seem to be rewarding some practices that we'll all adopt and therefore we'll be back at square one again.

I'm still seeing people being rewarded for names with
keyword1-keyword2 being rewarded. This is not good IMO.