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WebmasterWorld Google Update Changes:
The problem: Chit chat noise in update threads.
Last month we hand several thousand messages posted about the update. The volume level was intense and people couldn't find the info that was appropriate. Many senior members complained about the "me too" chit chat messages being left.
We are not going to do that this month. If you don't have anything new to add to a thread thing please kick back and read. Additionally, we are going to be proactive in keeping those threads clean. Again, the volume is so high this time of month that informing everyone of any thread tidying is near impossible.
We would appreciate your continued latitude, cooperation (thanks), and patience as we head into this months update.
Thanks.
For the Team,
Brett Tabke
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Understanding Dominic: (the previous update):
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GG wrote in msg # 87 : "If you're ranking well and/or got pages indexed, then you can assume that we saw links to you and handled them correctly. I wouldn't worry about whether you can see backlinks, or whether you see a PR0. It would be some time before I would assume that you're seeing PR from the right index."
I had positive hopes that Domonic was just growing pains for Google but now I dont feel so optomistic.
This update looks worse than Domonic for the keywords I have been watching. Lots of new sites with very little content seem to be dominating this update.
As for the updates, this update is good news, but it isn't "real" as far as I'm concerned as well as many others I think. The real, serious deepbot has not come in to pick up most of the new pages in the last couple of months. That means wait for this update to settle down, wait for the deepbot, then the next update, THEN and only then can you really see what the changes at Google mean. The craziness of this transition is not over at all. Give another month or two.
Hopefully with the deepbot being freshdeepbot, some of the latest crawl will come in a bit quicker, but the take home message is still be patient.
I was a little impatient the last week or two because I knew that deepbot has never visited most of my pages in the last 2 months (which is when I've more than doubled existing content) and that only after Esemeralda (whatever it was to be named) and then the deepbot, would it be possible to see what's going on. I'm happy this step has arrived, but we must wait some more.
[edited by: Clark at 12:22 am (utc) on June 16, 2003]
this is one of those cases where you 'just know' that its not just a case of being adversely affected by algo/ranking changes. If a site is normally #1 for a highly competitive keyphrase, and then its nowhere in the top 100, I think its far more likely to have been overlooked, not indexed properly, or something of that nature.
For my main keyword (which brings in as much Google traffic in a month as the other 5000 keywords put together) I've dropped from 6 to 10. For most of my other important keyterms I've dropped from 1st place. Maybe there will be new minor keyterms for which I've gone up to 1st place, but I'm not hopeful.
Post-Dominic backlinks have dropped from 420 to 337. Any idea why this would be?
What's troubling is that my site offers way more information than any of the sites above me -- probably as much as all those sites put together.
I'm disappointed, but I guess I just have to keep plugging away.
Okay, it seems like we're proceeding to the normal "sky is falling" stage that a regular Google Dance would have, so I'm going to nip out for a few hours and get some food. I'll be back later tonight after everyone's gotten it out of their system and taken a deep breath.. :)
216.239.41.104 toolbarqueries.google.com
That should link up your toolbar to the fi index. You may have to close/refresh your browser windows or flush your DNS cache to see changes, though.
I'm also pleased at the shear volume of pages that Google picked up this time - very impressive. Google has manages to index nearly every page on some of my sites. The only exceptions are some forum type sites. I'm not sure if Google prefers to index only the newer threads in forums or maybe I need to work on navigation. I suppose newer forum threads are the most important anyway (but there are always threads that are important a year later, too).
I finally figured out why a site was beating me. They have been using 10x10 images that match the background color at the bottom of every page and then crosslinking all the pages. In addition, each page serves as a doorway page with link text that points to the index. I realized this when I found this site to be beating with even more phrases than last month for no apparent reason.
GoogleGuy, I submitted a spam report with your name and "webmasterworld" in it.
the one that I have is a PR0 page. not sure why ;(
IITian, if you're doing well then don't worry about about it. For us to find your site, we had to find backlinks to it. :)
Thank you GG, but I think my question was misunderstood. Just one link is good enough to be found, but all the links have to be included to figure out PR which is important.
Currently it is difficult to figure out whether the links not showing up are just hidden and do count towards PR or are just not counted and are unknown to G.
It doesn't appear Google.com has updated.
It is normal for pagerank to fluctuate during an update and this may continue for a day or two.
>That should link up your toolbar to the fi index. You may have to close/refresh your browser windows or >flush your DNS cache to see changes, though.
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Umm, did you really mean 216.239.41.100, as that is the address of -fi?
The '41.104' address is pointing at one of the generic toolbarqueries addresses that derive from the Demonic index(yes, I did spell it that way on purpose!)
But, returned back to approx position before dominic - so thats a plus , but strange how the backlinks went down.
>>you shouldn't compare pre-Dominic backlink counts to post-Dominic backlink counts.
The threshold, or definition, or something, of what will be shown as backlinks has changed. This might account for some unexpected backlink results in -fi for some. They'll all still count one way or the other.
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Umm, did you really mean 216.239.41.100, as that is the address of -fi?The '41.104' address is pointing at one of the generic toolbarqueries addresses that derive from the Demonic index(yes, I did spell it that way on purpose!)
No, I definitely meant 41.104. Its the 3rd octet that corresponds to the particular datacenters, the 4th to toolbarqueries. Do nslookups on www-fi.google.com and toolbarqueries.google.com if you don't believe me.
Works for me, anyway. I'm getting new PR on previously unranked sites. Like I said, you may have to close/restart browsers or flush your DNS cache.
[edited by: Dolemite at 2:09 am (utc) on June 16, 2003]
teeceo.
No, you are absolutely right. It is strange tho, if I set the 4th octet for 'toolbarqueries.google.com' to '100' it will also give me the 'new' PR on sites that don't currently have it. Since I don't know the internal structure of the toolbar, I'd guess that a query from a toolbar that actually goes to one of those 'incorrect' addresses also gets handled just fine by the load balancer/front-end/whatever.
Thanks!
Bad news is that the number of off-site backlinks (vs. links from my own pages) is 1/6 of what they were in the Dominic update. I know I'm not the only one in this situation, but am mentioning it since googleguy is looking for feedback.
Er, or he was looking for feedback - maybe he's gotten enough for now. ;)
Beth
