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Understanding Dominic: (the previous update):
Am seeing this across the board for many sites. Not all mine. I picked a few "good" sites appearing to be "playing by the rules" to watch along with my own, so I could do some objective searching, without my own optimization skills being the question :).
I am seeing new backlinks, definately new pages indexed... but, the ranks I am seeing do not appear to be the quality they should, with many top sites and authority sites and guys playing by the rules with good backlink counts losing ground.
In particular, a SERP I watched last month for a site not my own... the site was #1... in fi now, the site is gone, even though it's PR remains and it's backlink counts increased... yet, the rest of the top 10 remained unchanged with everyone else bumping up one notch. The #3 result doesn't come close to the old #1's current Esmerelda backlinks. This site still has top spots on other major terms, just not 1 or 2 of the top ones in particular. Very peculiar.
Anyway, just some of my observations I found interesting. :)
[edited by: chrisnrae at 11:37 pm (utc) on June 15, 2003]
Googleguy... I just tried putting a post up about this.. but if pages are to similiar on this site in question to other pages on this same site, could that be causing a penalty of some sort? Its about 3k pages that google always loved with lots of deep specific links which arent showing? Could this be some sort of new penalty why the deeper pages arent showing? Other then alot of pages being similiar on the site but directed towards "green widgets" and another being for "blue widgets" I could see no other reason for any penalty at all on this site... its been driving me nuts why google is not showing the deeper pages but only main sections since Dominic?
[edited by: Helpmebe1 at 11:46 pm (utc) on June 15, 2003]
It's a shame, they were doing nicely with fresh results until now. I'm wondering if they are being penalized for using templates.
On the other hand, it's late here and I may see things that just aren't there. Why can't they push the button at a more convenient time for us in Europe... :)
I would also be interested in this answer. I am seeing it happen to more and more long established sites.
Also, how important is "freshness" in this new index? ;)
The only way I know to see real results is through ICQ search, but that doesn't let me choose the data centre I want to see. I'm missing out on the action!
stavs, I think the short answer for your question is that sometimes people start an Esmeralda analysis thread to hotly debate how things change ("It's emphasizes deeper pages! No, it emphasizes index pages!"). I can't give much specific advice on ranking changes other than to point to Brett's good essay on building traffic over time.
Again, my references above are to some established authority sites who have years online playing by the rules dropping like flies from major serps they have had strong holds in for a long time. This does not include my own sites, as I do not have "years online" so it isn't a why me... merely an observation.
I done what Brett talked about in his 12 steps, for a while we rode high, then with dominic it went south.
Now, it went even further south.
I'm ashamed to wear my Google baseball cap anymore and have put it in my closet.
I just don't get it, add content, get good links, and nothing. All during dominic people said including GG, don't worry about it, it will straighten out. It only got worse for me.
I'm glad to see some people did well with this update, and with the update process so wacked out lately, this might be the last one for another 2 months.
I guess I'll go get hammered and finish out Fathers Day two sheets to the wind and I don't even drink.
My backlinks on FI dropped to 8, and I used to have over 100. The 8 sites that are listed aren't anything special, and I know of 10 to 20 large sites off the top of my head that have good PR, are not listed in my FI backlinks, and that are still linking to me.
The number of pages of my site that are listed within Google is just over 500.
I'm seeing some good search engine results on some keywords, so I haven't dropped out of the index, but my site has dropped significantly on some of the primary keyword search. A keyword that is in the domain name, and therefore in every single link to the site.
Why would my backlinks drop so dramatically, when I definitely have more than 8 backlinks? And why would the site dissappear for a keyword search that includes a word in the domain name and in all anchor links to the site?
And, I don't know how to check PR, so will this reduction in backlinks drop my PR dramatically as well?
Any ideas as to what might be happening GG?