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CJ - Only Javascript Links For Merchants After June 23

     

TrustNo1

11:16 am on May 24, 2006 (gmt 0)

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"Any publisher-advertiser relationships formed after this date (June 23)will only provide JavaScript links"

You can read about it after you login.

[edited by: engine at 4:02 pm (utc) on May 24, 2006]

jangro

5:00 am on May 31, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Here's my understanding.

any plain old links that you have created on programs you've joined prior to june 23, will remain functional for a period of time (they said, I think, in the podcast that they'll give at least 6 months notice.) They call these "legacy links".

For programs joined after the 23rd, no straight links, not from a web page. It seems that you will be able to have plain links for use in PPC direct links and email from advertisers that allow that.

It's not clear to me whether we'll be able to generate new plain links after June 23 for pre-existing relationships.

phantombookman

8:50 am on May 31, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Some affiliates out there are concerned. I contacted mine and they know no more than us, they got the same link we did.

That said this could have a silver lining for some.
I have countless specified text links pointing to my affiliate, all added by hand and tailored to each specific page.
The job of editing them all out by hand is a non-starter. Therefore my affiliate looks likely to enjoy plenty of quality targetted traffic that converts well - all free of charge!

badone

9:39 am on May 31, 2006 (gmt 0)

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That said this could have a silver lining for some.

Yes, I imagine the other affiliate networks are thrilled ;-)

Cheers,
BAD

arikgub

8:07 pm on Jun 1, 2006 (gmt 0)

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It seems that you will be able to have plain links for use in PPC direct links and email from advertisers that allow that

If so, what can stop you from using the same links on a web page?

surfin2u

9:46 pm on Jun 1, 2006 (gmt 0)

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eBay offers affiliate support through a variety of tools and more recently through RSS feeds that you can get a link to from their advanced search interface:

Affiliate Tracking Information Show
Adding affiliate tracking information generates RSS feeds that include affiliate tracking data. Learn more

If you click on Show you get a drop down list with two affiliate choices:

Mediaplex
Commission Junction

This may be a sign that eBay is moving away from CJ. All of eBay's other affiliate tools only support CJ publishers, and now RSS support is their latest offering and it includes Mediaplex as an alternative.

Looks like Mediaplex may see much more action in the future. eBay support is notoriously lousy, so it wouldn't surprise me if they are unable to deliver tools that conform to the new CJ javascript requirement in time.

jangro

10:55 pm on Jun 1, 2006 (gmt 0)

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>> what can stop you from using the same links on a web page?

uhh, cj? (if they felt like it)

>> mediaplex

ebay has worked with Mediaplex for years, alongside CJ. Both are owned by ValueClick. I wouldn't read too much into that.

surfin2u

12:35 pm on Jun 2, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I read my email on a web page. If CJ blocks web pages from using email affiliate links, then email affiliate links won't work at all for me.

Interesting about Mediaplex... None of the other eBay affiliate tools that I use offer them as an option. Anyone have experience working with them?

jangro

2:25 pm on Jun 2, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I read my email on a web page. If CJ blocks web pages from using email affiliate links, then email affiliate links won't work at all for me.

I hadn't thought of that one. The links would work, but the publisher may technically be out of compliance.

jskrewson

3:01 pm on Jun 2, 2006 (gmt 0)

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FYI, Scott Jangro has started a petition that asks CJ to reconsider the JavaScript only link policy for web sites.

It is here:

[jangro.com...]

I would appreciate it if the moderators didn't kill this link. I would also encourage everyone to sign it and let your voices be heard!

surfin2u

4:01 pm on Jun 3, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I just got a bit of an eye opener about this whole javascript link issue. I was reading a news story about Katrina's Angels, a nonprofit organization for helping storm victims. I like what they're doing and wanted to give them a link.

I visited their "link to us with our banner" page and sure enough, there was code for javascript links there, as well as some html links...and then it dawned on me...

The amount of power and control that you give up when you include someone else's javascript on your page is astounding! I am not ready to give anyone else that kind of authority over my site. No way.

What's the worst thing that they can do with power like that? The list is so long, I don't even know where to start...think about it.

Shawn Collins

12:40 am on Jun 4, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I read my email on a web page. If CJ blocks web pages from using email affiliate links, then email affiliate links won't work at all for me.

I archive all of my newsletters with the affiliate links in them (straight from the HTML version) and link from the text version of the newsletter to the archived version.

I am not going to start making two versions of my newsletters for the sake of CJ - I'll just have to forsake their advertisers in favor of competitors.

Catalyst

6:07 pm on Jun 4, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Thanks Scott for doing the petition! I signed and weighed in.

Merchants and AMs that I know arent happy about this either, but hardly any of them have spoken out publicly against the issue. Unfortunately merchants (advertisers) seem to carry more weight with CJ.

We really NEED some merchants and affiliate managers to sign the petition and identify themselves as such. Affiliates, try to get your merchants to sign with a title and company name. It may help.

Linda

walkman

6:25 pm on Jun 4, 2006 (gmt 0)



>> Unfortunately merchants (advertisers) seem to carry more weight with CJ.

I'd go even one step further: very few high merchants carry more weight with CJ than all the rest combined. It's funny how without us, merchants won't do CJ any good.

walkman

6:46 pm on Jun 5, 2006 (gmt 0)



got an email from a merchant with a list of FAQs, and apparently CJ will have an email link (similar to the soon-to-be-old format) for each merchant, but ONLY to be used on emails, and they will even monitor its usage.

At this point, I can only hope that CJ bombs, thsi way most merchants will move out of there. They seem to be beyond being saved. This is insane.

CathyM

9:45 pm on Jun 7, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I see that CJ has announced this afternoon that they are now planning a more realistic approach. Their notes says,

On June 23, 2006, JavaScript links will become Commission Junction’s default link type. However, we will continue to offer Legacy links through the beginning of 2007. The Legacy links will be available for all your advertiser relationships, including those joined to before and after June 23, 2006.

This makes more sense. Those who want to can get some experience with the java links and CJ can work out the bugs, which I am sure there will be some.

skibum

9:54 pm on Jun 7, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Well they are coming around anyway - no change to legacy links during the 2006 holiday season.

Send email to merchants, let them know how it will affect you, tell them how much sales revenue will have to start flowing outside CJ and suggest setting up on other networks.

There are some things that simply can't be done with JavaScript links. If they are going to switch to JavaScript, it should be for display advertising (banners) and for new rich media or video they may plan to roll out. Just don't make the text links or product level links exclusively JavaScript.

jomaxx

2:39 am on Jun 8, 2006 (gmt 0)

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That's only 6 months. I think they had already made noises about legacy links working for at least that long anyways.

The interesting thing I see is that you apparently no longer have to be affiliated up with a merchant before June 23 to use their legacy links. That was one of the more ridiculous aspects of the policy being introduced.

internetheaven

11:28 am on Jun 8, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Well they are coming around anyway - no change to legacy links during the 2006 holiday season.

By moving the date of the switch? How is that coming around? That's like Bush saying "okay, we promise not to invade Iraq during the summer holidays" - what's changed?

They'd already announced that legacy links would work well into 2007. This latest announcement is geared to simply "trick" affiliates into believing that something has changed when it hasn't. They just want us to stop moving away from CJ until they can work out a better press release for their move to javascript.

All this means is that affiliates will start signing up to CJ merchants again "thinking" that things are going back to normal only to slap them with no-more-html-available in August.

internetheaven

8:34 am on Jun 10, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Does this show any warning signs:

[webmasterworld.com...]

walkman

5:43 pm on Jun 10, 2006 (gmt 0)



I have a feeling that CJ will use both types links, as suppose to force us to one. Let's be honest, some merchants must use javascript, take Citibank, or ING for example: their rates change every week or so, and they can't chase 10000 affiliates to change rates all the time.

I think CJ realized, or will realize that this is one dumb move

TrustNo1

5:42 am on Jun 23, 2006 (gmt 0)

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The links are now live.

skibum

1:53 pm on Jun 23, 2006 (gmt 0)

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So what are people doing now? Still adding CJ links, jumping ship, using the JS, encouraging merchants to setup in-house or on another network? Anyone glad to see JS being used?

surfin2u

2:08 pm on Jun 23, 2006 (gmt 0)

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The links are now live.

Oh boy!

I was trying to imagine why anyone would turn off javascript, and found a really good reason to, and so I'm doing some of my daily browsing with javascript disabled now.

One news site that I frequent uses javascript to force the focus onto a window when it finishes loading. If I have already moved on to another window, to continue working, that window that I opened previously jumps to the front, interrupting me and forcing me to type a shift-Tab to return to what I was doing. By disabling javascript the interruption problem goes away.

jskrewson

5:58 pm on Jun 23, 2006 (gmt 0)

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According to Jangro, they have implemented these new links via a form that is written into the document. Very bad news for ASP.NET developers or anyone who will need to place links inside a form.

Nested Forms are illegal and should be avoided. Browsers won't necessarily render them correctly and the parent form tends to get submitted instead of the child.

I AM NOT impressed with the decision making ability at CJ.

Catalyst

6:51 pm on Jun 23, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Yes there's lots of helpful info about the new links over at Jangro. CJ may have been short-sighted with this (to say the least) but they are not stupid. I assume some of the problems like links starting a new line and stuff are just oopses cuz they didn't do enough testing. I would think that even if they leave the javascript links as optional (which would be the smartest move) they would still correct some problems to make them work better.

Today is the 1st day so there are bound to be some bugs, although really a company of their size should have done more and better testing ESPECIALLY with all the negative PR, before releasing these new links.

If and when the Google CPA network is announced as official and comes out of beta, you can bet CJ they will be doing more to try to keep affiliates happy. (Note; I still use the word affiliate NOT publisher, although that seems to be what CJ wants ya'll to become.)

Linda

TrustNo1

7:08 pm on Jun 23, 2006 (gmt 0)

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"CJ they will be doing more to try to keep affiliates happy."

Time will tell on that one. What's been posted everywhere by lots of people, leave the html links as an option. If not, they're just hurting themselves and will lose business. Both merchants and affiliates want the html option, CJ's customers. What happens to businesses when they don't listen to their customers.

norton j radstock

10:14 pm on Jun 23, 2006 (gmt 0)

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They may have left html links available but they are certainly not encouraging their use. Anyway why would affiliates spend time building links that may become unavailable in the future? Other networks must be delighted that CJ are continuing with this despite all the comments.

[edited by: skibum at 11:03 pm (utc) on June 23, 2006]

skibum

11:09 pm on Jun 23, 2006 (gmt 0)

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If and when the Google CPA network is announced as official and comes out of beta, you can bet CJ they will be doing more to try to keep affiliates happy.

Are they really even related? AdSense seems to be good for monetizing traffic for publishers, CJ for sites trying to make sales. Seems like they are at oppostite ends of the spectrum, though maybe a little closer if CJ goes all out with this new setup.

Can't imagine any good affiliate would swap in PPA AdSense ads for their current CJ links.

simey

1:23 am on Jun 24, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Can't imagine any good affiliate would swap in PPA AdSense ads for their current CJ links.

I might. I have some database powered sites where the new CJ links don't work?
But adsense works just fine.

walkman

4:54 pm on Jun 29, 2006 (gmt 0)



Has anyone figured out how to use javascript and databases? I enter the cj link on a database that "masks" the link. CJ, at least needs another Database link, similar to the email link.

Without this, I am essentially out of business, at least with CJ merchants.

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