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"So I guess it's time to talk to them directly about bypassing the CJ system."
It's not longer about working "with" CJ, it's about working "around" CJ.
They eliminate the limitations of affiliate links in the legacy format – specifically search engine ranking degradation.
I suspect the above point is the main reason. CJ are probebly feeling the heat after the BigGreedy update degrading pages with affiliate links.
[edited by: Web_speed at 3:25 am (utc) on May 25, 2006]
If it is only the people who sign up after June 23 who are affected by this then most of us do not have to worry about switching to JS links.
This will not affect only those who sign up after June 23.
Now I'm glad I got kicked out of CJ for inactivity, LOL, but I guess I'd better get off my butt and apply for another publisher account and start signing up with any program I might conceivably want to use in the future.
Every affliiate marketer is in it by the good graces of the merchants. You may not like it, but that is the truth.
How many affiliates in here are actually building branded sites? Puhlease. If one runs a mainly aff based site, then your future hangs in the balance of decisions made by people you do not know, and have never met. Even if you're big enough to have relationships with CJ big's or LS big's, they are still just aggregators. The power, ultimately, is in the hangs of the OEM's and OSP's. That doesn't mean one shouldn't be an affiliate. Only that one should plan ahead, understanding the points of view of the key players in the marketplace....planning all the while for best and worst case scenerios.
So, make a plan. First go out and do the search and replace thing. If your site is set up with some flexibility, that should not be hard at all. Then figure out what is coming next, say, two to five years down the road, and plan your future around that.
OK, it blows that people can't use CJ backfill links anymore, but other than that, a this is just a blip in the radar.
We're actually looking to get into CJ in a bigger way right now. Heh, heh, that's a first. But the thing is, I can hear the sucking sound of people going out the door. Can you say, "Opportunity?" ;-)
People seem to have all the time in the world to complain but when it comes down to doing the actual work, they don't have enough "person hours" to get the job done right.
Ummm, you really don't get it do you?
Time spent to change links is a small chunk of the bigger issue.
Or, I guess you don't have a problem with allowing an advertiser to make any changes they want to their text links and have that information automatically pushed to your site, without you even eyeballing the changes.
times like these I wish there was an ignore button on WebmasterWorld...
My understanding is that the merchant will have to provide you with any keyword links so that you can market their products via SEs.
It sounds like for PPC search links the merchant will give you a link to the homepage and that's what you get to work with.
Then, if you create pages that integrate links into the copy and you have CJ or the advertiser changing them, your copy may end up looking really stupid. On top of that, every affiliate of a particular advertiser is going to have the exact same links on their pages.
It really is too bad they didn't lead with some examples...old way / new way.
For whatever reason they are doing this, they know how their system is used and will hopefully have a solution for the different use cases.
Can you say, "Opportunity?" ;-)
Interesting, sounds like CJ - that already has left hand in a share of my affiliate earnings - wants another hand in.
It is not only about "merchants fed up". CJ wants what likes of G$$gle and Claria and few others have that CJ doesn't - uderstand what converts, where and when. Collect tons of data and analyze it. Then squezee out whatever converts to the maximum, and charge merchant for it accordingly. And whatever doesn't convert - well, it doesn't convert. G$$gle already did it, everyone else follows.
No more easy profits, that's for sure
If they leave us alone with the present banner links working (we server side the banners because our site is blazing fast due to our well maintained multiple servers and we don't want to be dependent on someone elses server) then no problem....but if they force everyone to use java and worse the ads are on their servers......they are going to have a mass exodus of high value content and retail sites that put the customer experience first and foremost....they better be careful... because it's been discussed at our meetings and it was decided that we'd drop them if that scenario unfolds.
We have an eBay rep assigned to help our company and we'd have to tell eBay just exactly why we are leaving. If eBay loses high end affiliates....CJ will be in BIG trouble once companies eBay sees the numbers dropping.
but if we have to put java links on our site that will slow down when CJ slows down
It's not just when CJ slows down, their servers can be up and operational and your users can still run into problems.
So user X may have no problems connecting between his PC and your server, but if there's any network problems or slow downs in the route between the user's PC and the CJ server, YOUR page load time will increase for that user. In some cases the delays can be fairly significant, and of course, the user will assume that it's your site that's causing the problems.
For the advertisers to which you were joined prior to June 23, 2006 (the launch date of the LMI), you will still be able to access Legacy link code for a limited time. We will notify you at least six months in advance of when this option is no longer available.
So it looks like we will have SOME time to change everything.
Where are these fed up merchants? I haven't heard a whisper from them.
If these merchants are so fed up, why are they inviting me to their programs?
If these merchants are so fed up, why are they accepting me into their programs?
Why haven't these masses of merchants been cutting the strings with those affiliates that are displeasing them so much?
I see talk of fed up merchants and talk of Google fed up and so CJ is just responding to that. Really? These are made as statements, not speculation. If these statements are true, why all the secrecy? How is an affiliate to know that their marketing methods aren't approved of? Aren't wanted? Why are these affiliates allowed to continue on? Why wasn't CJ clamping down and setting boundaries? Why weren't the merchants saying thanks but partnership is over now. Why were affiliate partnerships continued?
I don't see much reality in those statements at all. Because if they're true, this is just a monkey show. Don't guide and direct your sales crew. Just keep accepting, and inviting, and working with them and then pull the rug out say affiliate methods are horrible and bad.
I think the reality is something much different. CJ is just moving itself into a new position for new technology capabilities. Nothing more nothing less. It isn't about what merchants are wanting or what affiliates are wanting. It's about the direction CJ wants to move in.
If someone has FACTS that this change is in response to all the bad affiliates ruining the game for everyone, please share them.
I don't think I have seen a single statement about the reasons for this change outside of the official communication from CJ (their email and FAQ), that are not speculation and assumptions, no matter how strongly said.
It sucks that they didn't come out with more info from the beginning, but more is coming, hopefully next week.
I'm going to wait and see before I waste any energy worrying.
CJ is just moving itself into a new position for new technology capabilities.
It isn't about what merchants are wanting or what affiliates are wanting. It's about the direction CJ wants to move in.
CJ invites are being filtered to trash as of this minute.
Quote from CJ:
is this assumed or a real penalty? I know Matt Cutts mentioned it but how does it apply?
CJ invites are being filtered to trash as of this minute.
Why not use them to get our point across? I've responded to three email offers today with this:
you. Thanks for your time.