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Thus increasing the click-pop of those sites.
Assuming that Yahoo does have a click-pop counter system factored into its algo, is it ethical then that a sites success is dependant (partly or largely) on a good description, when the editors of Yahoo choose that description - some of which are so poor that some sites must be doomed from the start. This may have been not such an issue with the old format, where at least you could be found in the categories (which were thrust upon searchers by virtue of that format) somewhere (discriminately IMO) alphabetically.
The 'description' element of Yahoo has been a massive talking point in these forums as many of us have suffered at the lazy pens of the editors in the past.
If, since the recent format change (where the searcher is more likely to NOT delve into the categories), click-pop is now used more heavily in the Yahoo algo, the description becomes even more important than it was before.
Oh Great!
C:\Windows\Cookies
Cookie:anyuser@hc2.humanclick.com/hc/85936856
C:\Windows\Profiles\anyuser\Cookies
Cookie:"deleted"@yahoo.com/
I am of the opinion that there should be something for them to read if they want to. You can always delete it but, you don't want a "clean" browser while you are clicking.
You're there already I can see :-)
Don't need to have an empty browser right?
Delete, surf, click :-), :-)
here is the great listing that those yahoo editors spent ages thinking about
'Online shopping directory'
terrible isnt it
Next time you do a site, lets say you are selling blue widgets. Buy the domain www.blue-widgets-sales-and-informations.com and call your site The Blue Widget Sales & Informations Company. That way, your description will not be important.
i dont really want to buy another domain name though
On the topic of generating click pop, would it be feasible to load some really small iframes or something like that on your site(where the user wouldn't notice) that loads the yahoo click thru link? Or better yet make any links to your home page the yahoo link? You'd get a variety of real users - it would be hard for yahoo to detect, no?
Where would that help you? The moment you have an active link back to Yahoo, they will almost certainly deem that each user has come back to them after having visited your site for a very short time (and therefore your site is not that good).
You could use a divert to stop the user from going back to Yahoo, on the basis Yahoo will give you more brownie points the longer they appear to stay on your site. But for how long? And when you get caught....
There is another way. But, oh Jeez, you know, it took me so long to figure this one out. And I would hold my breath doing this anyway to be honest. Not so much for Yahoo finding out and dropping me. But my competition finding out, doing the same thing, then Yahoo and others dropping link pop altogether because of it.
And until my competitors catch up with me on my click pop abilities / program, I really don't want to use this.
If you send me a sticky and lets talk about our markets, so there is no cross over. Perhaps we can exchange a few?!
Newbie, what proof do you have that this goes on? As far as I know this is a directhit thing, not a Yahoo thing... Are you *assuming* that there is a temporal aspect to click pop? Have you done any studies? Where did you read this? ...not trying to cause a ruckus, but from what I know, Yahoo does not address the temporal aspects of click pop the way that directhit does.... granted, I am basing that mainly on the example I mentioned above, but it is hard to find such examples.... care to share any that support your statement?
No problem. Look at their URL string. You should be able to work it out (that it contains your directory and position within it in binary form). Why else have that?
Also, if you were Yahoo. And let's face it, Yahoo lead the field in many areas. What would you do? You had link pop (everyone knows), but now it seems less effective - why? You are Yahoo, do you drop link pop in importance or make it more selective?
And if you think you make it selective. How do you do this / monitor it? Having db based answers is too great a strain on your servers. So they need to address this within their interaction with your PC. So, when you work out how they do this. Then; test, check, test, check, test, check, test, check, test. And then analyse what you find.
And what you will find, I guarantee you, if you look where it is obvious and you do it right. It will tell you (in no uncertain terms), that "temporal" (not so, as this would involve comparing data on their db), actually refined click pop is what they do now.
Newbie, I didn't question that click popularity exists.... I know they monitor clicks.... (I watched from the beginning.... it wasn't all that long ago... maybe a year?)
....What I was saying is that I don't think there is any aspect of their algorithm that takes into account what a surfer does after they click into a site.... they are simply counting outgoing clicks. You said that a click is worth more 'the longer they appear to stay on your site'.... all I said is that this is, so far, unsubstantiated and I asked you why you think this to be true... you very well may be correct.... I just have never seen any proof that 'the time issue' has anything to do with the way Yahoo monitors click popularity.... that is, if click popularity actually exists:)
So if we remove that factor, it's back again to figuring the value of domain name, title and description. Maybe even longevity.
But I do not mind scepticism :-) I am happy enough for this one to be hard to find / fathom out etc. The reason I even chipped in with this, what I consider to be HUGE information (resultant from months and months of hard work on my part), was because someone here did me a big favour elsewhere, and I owe the forum one.
Even with the solution / algorythmn confirmed, you need to be a clever click popper. I have just pointed you firmly in the right direction and a long way down the right path. As for Yahoo having no mechanism for registering or grading click pop NFFC. I am a Christian. But until I see those perly gates, I wouldn't preach to anyone that I am right!! :-)
