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Have you uncovered anything specific for your set of results? Any other variables that we haven't touched upon yet? What about the geographic location of your backlinks?
Look at Y Results on a competitive search item :
1) Crappy URL : Redirected Result : Main Purpose is to sell.
2) Blog - Which is not opening.
3) Crappy URL : Site hosted at Free Server - Not Opening
4) Redirected Result :Pointing to same site at no. 1 position.
5) Crapy URL : Site Hosted at Free Server : - showing "Not Found"
6) Informative Site
7) Crapy URL : Site hosted at Free Server : Unwanted Redirect
8) Crap URL : Site Not Opening : Pure Crap
9) Crap Result : Site Not Opening
10) Informative/Selling Site
are these good results? Can anyone consider these results as fine work? What does this mean?
Is YAHOO delievering useful information to visitors? If yes, then why 80% of the sites in top 20 results are not opening? Where is the information? How come these redirects?
FOR Webmasters : What does these webmasters have done wrong? Look, Search Engines are there, because Webmasters are there. They want their site to be viewed by their target audience. Webmasters have made quality site, Which includes Information as well as some selling options. After all its about commercialization. If you go to a Restaurant, you first see the menu and then pick your dish(or item). But here, Restaurant Menu is showing - "10 items are available for you to eat. but only one or two is actually there which we can serve to You"....Bull #*$!
It seems that Yahoo, Google have forget that their main motto was to show relevant(or quality) results to visitors. Right now, what they are doing is "showing only one quality (not quality result you can say its relevant) out of 10 results. Really how Yahoo is doing this..Full Marks for them for giving their potential market a hint : Try Spammy techniques to get in SERPS. Well Done Y, I am there to Follow ur instruction, afterall I also want to get in SERPS. If not by Good Mean (which i was following from years) then surely by SPAMMY Techniques, which Yahoo is telling me to do.
Lot of Blog sites, Un-wanted Redirects are appearing which surely defeating the purpose of Yahoo being a world class Search Engine.
A suggestion for Yahoo Representatives.
For any organization, Customer Support is utmost important. Please try to answer the problems, queries raised by webmasters in this forum or at any other platform. Show your concern and work on the problem. Have you check your spam report section? I am sure that you've got thousands of spam reports. Work on these spam reports and my request to you is to evaluate these spam reports, and eliminate these sites which have not a single term appearing in site, but they are appearing at no. 1 or in top 10. Why these "Not Found" pages are appearing. Check out these things and you will found why we are showing our concern about the Current SERPS. This Yahoo Update is one of the worst(that I have seen till yet) then Ever Before.
Some are seeing higher KW density and some lower...okay, let's set that aside then.
What other factors for dropped sites do we have? It isn't just sites that have affiliate linkage in them; it doesn't seem to have anything to do with the frequency that the pages are updated; I don't see any correlations with the # or age of the backlinks, and though I thought it might be the case, the geographic location didn't seem to matter much...what then. Scrapers causing dupe content problems?
The 52-card pickup anaolgy seems fitting at this point.
If someone wants to sticky me an example, great. I'll take a look. But overall, I've won or lost a few, but in my sector they look about right.
About a year ago Y! did an update that reminds me of this one, in that just like a year ago, I'm seeing tons of examples where they seem to be filtering out the best sub page to show for a specific search (e.g., "red widgets") and instead are now showing a page above it or below it or beside it. For example, on a search for "red widgets" where they should show the page: "WidgetSite.com/red-widgets/"
... they are now showing either:
"WidgetSite.com/red-widgets/" (the page above /red-widgets/)
"WidgetSite.com/red-widgets/large-red-widgets" (a page below /red-widgets/)
"WidgetSite.com/red-widgets/blue-widgets" (a page beside /red-widgets/).
[edited by: caveman at 10:11 pm (utc) on July 15, 2006]
Surely what we are seeing right now is just the result of the process of tinkering and not the final product (I hope).
Some of my sites went up others down
kw density is lower on top sites.
Most under 5% no H1 just bold
I did a check on KW density, H1 tags, Bold tags, Meta tags and description on the top 20 site in my categories in April. Even checked their Google PR and backlinks. I saw NO pattern! The no #1 site in my category is hand-coded. Nothing will move it and it's filled with affiliate links.
Tweaked my KW density and H1 tags yadda,yadda,yadda. What did I get..? I was thrown around the serps like a yoyo!
I finally followed someone's advice, cut down the dynamic content on my homepage and made it static. Seems to have worked. This update saw my site stable at where it's been the last 2 months.
I think the search engines should come up with ways to ignore affiliate links, because it's commerce not necessarily quality. I mean does types of links.
When you search for health insuranace, all the sites that appear on the top are those who have numerous affiliate links to them. However, a good site that publishes health insurance news and basically gives any information about health insurance is in nowhere to be seen.
The search engines should overcome affiliate links and don't count them.
More importantly, we have numerous sites with homepages and subpages at 15%+ kw density that are just fine. If higher levels of kw density alone were enough of a factor to significantly drop a site's rankings, we would see it. We don't. I'm with Kirby; it's not the big story.
That does not mean that they didn't do something with kw density, but if they did, it just one of many factors at play, and I doubt one that is sinking site's rankings unless kw density is almost all they had going for them (hint, hint).
Sometimes, things can look a certain way, when something else is going on. What if, for example, Y! substantially altered the way that links factor into the algo: Both from a quality and quantity standpoint.
Y's algo used to be much more onpage and kw oriented. Last year that began to change. Links became more a factor.
In this new update, links are again, IMO, playing a significant role: Both the quality and quality of links. Y seems to be exploring ways to push authoritative links more to the fore. Look at all those Wikipedia and MSN results in the SERP's now.
So what happens as a SE evolves from onpage to offpage orientations in more and more respects? It might look as though this onpage thing is hurting a site, or that onpage thing is hurting a site. When in fact, it is more that those onpage things simply aren't helping as much as they used to...and other off page things are completely overwhelming things like, for example, kw density. ;-)
I am seeing some pages rank for competitors that I know are because of the increased # of anchor text specific links.
I am sitting on enough domains that I figure if these serps stick around very long, I'll sacrifice one just for Yahoo and see what happens just link spamming. I'm guessing it will rank well and quickly.
it is the kw density but there are exemptions and that depends on yours backlinks.
You can have a high kw density but your backlinks need to not have your keywords in them.
Kirby, I'm forced to agree, if this sticks. But it is so not good for Y!, and so not what they want, that we're not making plans along those lines...not that we have anyway. Last year, just about this same time, their new algo had issues...some similar, some different. They got it sorted in a relatively short amount of time. Impressive really, given how complex all this stuff is. ;-)
But ultimately, it sure seems that they are moving in the general direction of more weight on links, and certain kinds of links. Not unlike another SE we all know. :P
Yahoo needs to fire all the search engineers (and I use that term lightly), as they just can't seem to create a useful search engine. Every update it's the same ole same ole. More spam, more broken links, come on guys, don't you test the results before making them live?
1)MSN spaces site, completely irrelevant. Just a door to ther page, without any content
2) Free account, with the words "Sorry this account was disabled"
4)free site with banner and no content at all
5)Forbidden, "You don't have permission no access this website"
6)free site with 2 banners, one article and only 1 page
This is the results I'm getting for a very popular keyword. The first 6 results are junk, completely irrelevant for any search. I'm seeing this on other searches too. Unless Yahoo corrects this, they are going nowhere as a search engine. I'm noticing this kind of results since the last update. Don't know exactly what's happening but they have some problem that is out of control.
I don't think they are rewarding spam. I think they are nailing all the good in the process to where the only thing left is the spam. Geeze... Start rewarding the good again for goodness sake.
Are you showing any strange URL strings in the site: command? Their indexing hasn't been the greatest. I know you said they handled the 301s correctly, but just to doublecheck...
Also, do you have any authority backlinks (or in this case, links from those in the top 10 for that phrase)?
"Also, do you have any authority backlinks (or in this case, links from those in the top 10 for that phrase)?"
We have been around for over 5 years. Many thousands and thousands of backlinks. 99% natural. No problems whatsoever there in my opinion. Again many of these links point to old structure but are redirected to the proper new structure pages. For many of the search terms I follow I wouldn't care to have a link from them. Many are just a bunch of scrapers and junk sites. A couple have scraped us even (what you get for ranking well).
I really wish they would take a lession from the MSN people and admit a mistake and roll this thing back. I don't care about loosing position to a good site but not to the junk I see taking the place of really good autoritive site.