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Sandboxed Sites - Back Together?

Do they come out together or one by one?

         

McMohan

10:09 am on Nov 20, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Most of the new sites that I work with are still in the sandbox. Was just curios to know, if all the sanboxed sites come out of the sandbox during one fine major updation or one by one, over the rolling updates?

That is to say, should one be checking to see if the sites are out of the sandbox regularly or only when they know there is a major Google update? :)

Thanks

Mc

gomer

6:10 am on Nov 22, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Thanks anallawalla for confirming that.

As I said previously, I remember a thread here at WW (about May or June) where there was somewhat of a large consensus that sites had come out of the sandbox. I know one of my sites came out of the sandbox then. (I have many sites launched after that that are still in the sandbox.)

I have tried to find that thread but have not been able to. I am not sure of the date of the sites coming out of the sandbox but I belive it was in May or June of 2004 and before June 7, 2004.

Can anyone remember that period or find that thread?

Powdork

6:18 am on Nov 22, 2004 (gmt 0)

gomer

6:35 am on Nov 22, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Thanks Powdork, I think that is the link I was looking for.

Nice work by the way in stirring up the pot with the email to WSJ. Whatever the sandbox may be, it is something that should be addressed by the media.

Powdork

6:47 am on Nov 22, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Gotta feed the kids somehow. I hope G can get it's act together because i really don't think they are evil. They are acting like it however. At least when MSN takes the reigns we know the media will be all over them.

chopin2256

6:49 am on Nov 22, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Does this mean that that there's a specific date for new sites to come out of the sandbox? If so, when do you think that date will be for sites that are still not out yet?

Also, does this mean that once your out of the sandbox, you can create a new page and rank for a semi-competitive or competitive phrase within a week or so? (lets say everything is optimized and you have a decent amount of backlinks)

gomer

7:06 am on Nov 22, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Does this mean that that there's a specific date for new sites to come out of the sandbox? If so, when do you think that date will be for sites that are still not out yet?

I don't think there is any specific date and if there is one, only people at Google know about it.

I am of the camp that this is a capacity issue at Google rather than an anti-spam filter. While I feel that way, I am not convinced of that 100% myself. Google would have lost its head if in trying to fight spam, they kept new sites out of the index such as election sites, new movie sites etc. If it was a capacity issue, this is something they should have let investors know about in their filings to go public.

If the sandbox is related to fighting spam, it is a terrible measure and just a matter of time before someone eats Google's lunch. Either way, this creates a very poor user experience. They may not notice this now, but they are starting to and the problem will only get worse.

Also, does this mean that once your out of the sandbox, you can create a new page and rank for a semi-competitive or competitive phrase within a week or so? (lets say everything is optimized and you have a decent amount of backlinks)

That is a good question which seems to yield different answers here at WW. I personally have not realeased new pages on sites already in the index and therefore cannot say. From what I have read though, I am tending to think that even new pages on non-sandboxed sites are struggling more often than not to get into the index in earnest.

BeeDeeDubbleU

8:31 am on Nov 22, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Nice work by the way in stirring up the pot with the email to WSJ. Whatever the sandbox may be, it is something that should be addressed by the media.

The media must have been notified about this many times during the last few months. How many people in here have tried to get this some publicity yet not a whisper has been seen anywhere. The sinister (perhaps the wrong word but I can't think of a better one) thing is that it is at least worthy of some coverage and it has had none.

Let's face it Google is big news nowadays so why no coverage on what is essentially a really major problem with their search technology? It can't be that the press are better informed than those in this community so why are they blanking this?

jaffstar

9:36 am on Nov 22, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I just wanted to let you call know that my site came out of sandbox and into the rankings exactly 91 days after I first submitted it.

Its in the top 300 out of about 6 000 000.

BeeDeeDubbleU

10:00 am on Nov 22, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Top 300? Don't cancel your personal pension plan just yet ;)

newsphinx

10:06 am on Nov 22, 2004 (gmt 0)

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We started 3 three sites around January. They seemed to be sandboxed too. They all came out of sandbox around June. Two of them ranks well. One is a free picture site, the other is a free travel directory. While the 3rd site, a hotel site, ranks around 70 or something for its keyword domain name. I have to believe the sandbox effect is associated with commercial keyphrases, which might not be Google's intension of making more money or something. The sandbox algorithm, if it does exist, shall be further sharpened.
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