Sandboxed Sites - Back Together?

Do they come out together or one by one?

[McMohan]

Most of the new sites that I work with are still in the sandbox. Was just curios to know, if all the sanboxed sites come out of the sandbox during one fine major updation or one by one, over the rolling updates?

That is to say, should one be checking to see if the sites are out of the sandbox regularly or only when they know there is a major Google update? :)

Thanks

Mc

[brixton]

"new MSN engine about to come"
what's the big deal about it, all of those last 3-4 years just find me a webmaster with good rankings in google that he got more traffic from msn or Yahoo than from Google.We all know where our main traffic comes.Google has established its position in the world of SE's ,it will take years and lots of marketing effort from MS$ to convince the end user to use there machine. As about those beta results and relevant its only fools and horses.

[BeeDeeDubbleU]

Brixton this may not be necessarily true.

We all know about the power of advertising. As an example, if M$ want to go for this they could spend the advertising money to turn it round, not necessarily to take over but to make a big impression. Then, when people start MSN'ing as opposed to Googling, who knows?

[Rollo]

If your only source of income is free traffic, you had better start learning the world of paid advertising real quick.

Very true. However, in many cases, and for one of my sites being effected by the current Google wierdness in particular, that money would probably be better spent on old fashioned print advertising. Adwords is too flaky and inconsistent and Overture, though better, isn't that much better. At least when you do a print media buy, you know exactaly what you're getting and how much it will cost. Online advertising is a drain as you have to check every hour to make sure that you haven't been bumped.

[europeforvisitors]

At least when you do a print media buy, you know exactaly what you're getting and how much it will cost.

Tell that to advertisers who paid for phantom circulation in newspapers like NEWSDAY and the CHICAGO SUN-TIMES. :-)

For more on this, see Jack Shafer's "Ghost Readers:
Is everybody in the newspaper business inflating circulation?" article in SLATE at:

[slate.msn.com...]

[airpal]

Google has established its position in the world of SE's ,it will take years and lots of marketing effort from MS$ to convince the end user to use there machine. As about those beta results and relevant its only fools and horses.

3 things:
1. I agree that Google is simply dominating all competitors at this point.
2. Microsoft has (I'm guessing) 80%+ market share in the Operating System industry? If they integrate search as a major/easily accessible feature in Longhorn, and if its half decent, its game over.
3. I never bet against Bill Gates.

[hdpt00]

Plus MS could spend as much as google's market share just on advertising its new search engines. Personally, I think coming up with a new name for MSN might be a better way. Then start fresh and start advertising. Some people don't like things associated with MS or the cluttered front page MSN has.

[Rollo]

Tell that to advertisers who paid for phantom circulation in newspapers like NEWSDAY and the CHICAGO SUN-TIMES. :-)

True, there are abuses and it's also well known that they also inflate circulation by continuing to send out publications after cancelations, but at least there is some regulation and oversight... and these abuses aren't really the rule. Watch what happens to the career of those responsible. With some 2/3 of rev coming from ads, they've really hurt their rags credibility for a long time.

Adwords? Competators can click through expensive links and they don't work anywhere near as well as natural listings. I don't think they work as well vis a vis a targeted ad in a business mag in our case.

...sandbox? Off topic... sorry.

Our major site has been sandboxed since Sept. 23rd... has anyone yet make a comback? What is the record for time spent in the box?

[Elixir]

Rollo,
I posted this before five thousand posts back. We have four sites come out of the sandbox. All 6 to 8 months old. Nothing under 6 months has seen the light of day. Still 4 to go but they are under 6 months but at least I am more confident that they will appear sometime as opposed to Google being permanently busted. At one point I was sure that we would never see those sites in the serps it absolutely made no sense. Our minimum contract for SEO is now 12 months and we tell people right up front not to expect to see any organic rankings for 6 months.

[Rollo]

Thanks Elixir...

I must have missed that one.

[dazzlindonna]

Good to know, elixir. I must have missed the post too. One of my sites is just now hitting the 6 month mark, so I will watching to see if anything happens over the next few weeks. Thank goodness I have old sites that predate the sandbox and continue to do well. If all I had were new sites, it would be a lot more discouraging.