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That is to say, should one be checking to see if the sites are out of the sandbox regularly or only when they know there is a major Google update? :)
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Yawn. Heard that said over and over for years. Google has announced better than expected 3rd quarter earnings earlier this month and since August the share price has doubled. Sandbox has been around since the beginning of the year, so it doesn't seem to be doing any harm.
P.S. I must get back and re read my sites, they are so interesting..... they really deserve to be well ranked. Google has got it absolutely right. :)
My message 305 "There is stuff going on that will change the internet dramatically over the next 5 years, and you all can benefit from the priviliged position you are in. We all dream of being present when a golden opportunity arises.... well wake up, it is happening."
Move on guys, sandbox is sandbox, the boat has left the harbour, find another boat.
You might not find it so easy to be smug.
Move on guys, sandbox is sandbox, the boat has left the harbour, find another boat.
Don't get too comfortable. If Google were to "freeze" their index to keep out spam, then basically they would be giving up on their stated mission - to index the worlds information.
The purpose of a sandbox can only be one thing - to reduce the prevalence of fly-by-night throw-away domains and link schemes used by so many spammers. But those with quality sites to offer will be willing to wait it out. Once the initial sandbox "time lag" has expired, there will be a continual stream of quality new sites ranking in the serps as each one escapes the sandbox. Enjoy your "stability" while it lasts - your lack of new competition probably won't last long.
elgrande - Guess MHes has said that with a pinch of salt. Read him the opposite :)
ahhh *hungover*. Tequila IS a good fighting drink.
. . . but he sounded exactly like those other cold, calculating MBAs I went to school with (and which, coincidentally, are running Google).
If it is intentional, the sandbox will continue until it hurts Google financially more than it helps them. That is now Google management's responsibility to its shareholders. So, as long as it increases adwords revenue and people aren't leaving Google in droves, expect it to continue. Trust me, there is someone crunching the numbers in his or her financial model right now.
... don't take me too seriously. I worked out the other day that absolutely everything I have done this year has had no effect what so ever! Not a single new site is doing well, and the only redeming fact is niether have my competitors done anything. I could have been on holiday all year and still be in the same position. We have about 5 sites that rock, we never touch them incase we ruin them!
The truth about sandbox is there is nothing you can do. People who say otherwise have found a niche phrase with which they got lucky. But we are talking about having a site ranking for hundreds of phrases in the top 10 and pulling 10,000+ people per day. That just does not happen now.
The only thing you can do is make a good site and wait. When the natural links start happenning, things will look up. However, google is like a 4 barrell lock. You have to have all 4 elements in place to open it. If you miss one, your not in.
1) Natural links
2) optimised pages
3) pr flow
4) Original and quality content
Natural links take a long time, you can't fake it. The spammy sites are still hanging in there but without attracting new links then others will catch up and slowly replace them. As I said before, google is playing a long game, they are not going to replace spam with newer spam. Buying old domains may get you past the sandbox, but you still need quality links in to rank well. In 5 years time google will have an index with only older sites in the top positions and these will all have high quality natural links. You can't rank every site in the top ten, so just rank proven quality.
Google is based on links which are votes. It needs to isolate the real votes from the link exchanges etc. A real vote is one from a quality site that also has real votes and can be trusted. The process of evaluating all this takes a long time and if google is going to do it, now is the time.
No new site can be trusted, thats the long and short of it. It has to earn its position with real votes that are evaluated over a long time. Google was obsessed with 'freshness' and they got stung. I reckon they have decided that google news and froogle reduces the need for them to list new sites right away. The option of adwords is there, the rest of the index is for proven quality only.
Its a pain but quality will win through in the end. Meanwhile, spam the hell out of other engines, they haven't been so bold. :)
The purpose of a sandbox can only be one thing - to reduce the prevalence of fly-by-night throw-away domains and link schemes used by so many spammers. But those with quality sites to offer will be willing to wait it out.
Exactly!
I do not understand the continued capacity argument.
Just because you make a website does not by default mean you get high rankings in Google.
All anyone is saying is "despite my attempts to manipulate Google using methods that work with my old domains" I can't get anywhere because of the "sandbox".
Do most people normally rank in the top 10 for highly competitive phrases within a month. I think not.
If Google is fighting SERP spam by not ranking any new sites for over 6 months, the spammers have won. With hundreds of PHDs/programmers on staff, something tells me they would be able to come up with a stronger response than... "lets not let any sites in the past half year or more rank for any keywords."
Do most people normally rank in the top 10 for highly competitive phrases within a month. I think not.
The waiting period is now up to 10 months for some. And there are a quite a few members on this forum which I know for a fact can destroy the competition for most keywords/phrases they go after. I feel sympathy for the older sites that are going to be blown out of the top SERPS when the new ultra-optimized sites are finally let through.
