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Update Brandy Part 2

         

GoogleGuy

8:24 am on Feb 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Continued from: [webmasterworld.com...]


steveb, I believe the 64.x.x.x data center has the change, but I'm not positive. We use different terminology inside Google. :)

Powdork, I'm not sure if you'd call it an update exactly (different algorithms play more of a role than different data). But I'm guessing the change will probably roll out over the course of the weekend.

Just Guessing

4:31 pm on Feb 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

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A word of caution:

If Google tweak the algo this way this month, they may tweak it the other way next month.

I was back to #3 before Brandy for the search term I was concentrating on, and if the right results stick, may get back to #1 now. I did some work on semantics, but in the end it was links that made the biggest difference. For another more competitive search term I was back to #1 before Brandy with virtually no on page changes, but more inbound links from on topic pages (although the page's content was already good semantically).

I think for good long term results we need to work on both content and links - if you concentrate on one and not the other you are likely to bounce all over the place as each update tweaks the algo for that factor.

smatsmax

4:42 pm on Feb 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Agree with Eliteweb

No improvement in the RE serps, Been working really hard since Austin to get big.....

I'm actually seeing a return to directory sites ruling with this one, with only 2 really relevant listings

Better go make some more pages....

Marval

4:46 pm on Feb 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Looking at the differences in the 216 and 64 listings mentioned it looks more like the 216 results everyone sees are the fresh results for yesterday while the 64 results are the update to be rolled out - excellent mix of results in the new 64 listings with just a touch of the autogenerated crowd, but they always come and go as was mentioned before.

pavlin

4:55 pm on Feb 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Hm, I saw the famous 64-er and in despite of the fact, that my sites rank a bit more well, the main points still remain:
1. Lots of dmoz and linking sites
2. Non engish SERPs are of the same poor quality - no change here
3. The reverse link handling (wich is one of the main problems) is still in use.
4. There is a continuing chaos of the way G differs the languages since Austin - my bulgarian language sites continue to show up in the russian languages SERPs bringing lot's of irrlevant traffic.

I feel kind of penalized for helping G with an example of my duplicating URL, as the site is now totaly gone.
And I realy find it <let's say it litely> confusing, that GG is in fact happy with all of the things, that are going on on G those days...

I wil send a letter to webmaster at G with subject austinuodate and dmoz with more details on the points.

And two questions to GG - is there realy a Over Optimisation Penalty and what is happening with the sites, that G's "semantic" algo fails to understand?

[edited by: pavlin at 5:00 pm (utc) on Feb. 13, 2004]

Robert123

4:56 pm on Feb 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I wanted to take this opportunity to thank google guy on behalf of the entire webmaster world community. I have seen many deplorable posts from frustrated people over the last few weeks--as if to say, "Google guy this is your fault" "or google is dead". I am sure he has developed a thicker skin-I hope, but those same people are tuning into his everyword.

If you dont like google, fine--But do not project or displace frustrations toward him as he is here to help.

And of course I have a question if you are still reading--just to confirm, you believe that the change will roll out is on the 64.****.xxetc data center?

Thanks

Zeberdee

5:02 pm on Feb 13, 2004 (gmt 0)



As an observer the 64. index looks like Google has more or less returned to its normal quality. The sheer nonesense of the last few week has gone.

Obviously it is a big improvement, but it does leave me wondering what on earth they were doing rolling out the other stuff in the first place.

If it sticks we will change our intranet search default back to Google.

egomaniac

5:13 pm on Feb 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I can't call this SPAM... but when I see links to Amazon book listings in the top 5 or top 10, it just seems junky to me.

I am certainly willing to concede that this is just one egomaniac's opinion.

When I see Amazon book listings, I think "Why is this here? If I wanted a book I'd be searching over at Amazon. I can type a m a z o n . c o m into my browser."

When I search, I am looking for informational websites, or products to buy. If I want to buy a book, then I go directly to the Amazon or Barnes and Noble websites.

Other than that, the "new" serps look at lot like pre-Florida serps to me (which I like BTW).

Good_Vibes

5:14 pm on Feb 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Yup, I'm seeing pre Florida results now.

caveman

5:19 pm on Feb 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I have noticed a lot of large bookseller sites' pages coming up high. More than even in Aust*n I believe. Well, at least it's educational. :-)

mmdesign

5:22 pm on Feb 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

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The 2 things I saw here that made sense about the last few weeks:

1. Index pages were missing
2. G had a problem reading DMOZ

It appears that was that (30K posts later.)

Jane_Doe

5:26 pm on Feb 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Looks pretty good to me in general.

A prolific expired domain spammer who had been dominating the SERPs with doorway pages in one of the areas I track is now gone.

Another spammer with some adult sites targeting non adult (and even some kid oriented) keywords has been greatly reduced.

In some areas I still see big sites with lots of backlinks, but not really very relevant pages, ranking higher than highly relevent pages of smaller sites. For example, for an apparel related search a high PR seed and garden site is in the top 20, even though the it is just happenstance that the search terms occur in various places on their home page.

And yes, the large book seller pages are still everywhere, even though I believe most people already know how to find that site, if needed.

[edited by: Jane_Doe at 6:03 pm (utc) on Feb. 13, 2004]

lindavh

5:27 pm on Feb 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Here in Florida (that's a trip) for a vacation and checking in this morning see how my pages in Google are doing and seeing great results for my terms...

And after these last couple of months mixed with my excitement is my experience of seeing the daily fluctuation and so I am cautiously optimistic, stressing on the word cautious...

And what I am doing here on this computer on my vacation anyway? Just waiting for my friend to be ready to take off and enjoy the sunshine outside...

Good luck and thanks to all!

[edited by: lindavh at 5:29 pm (utc) on Feb. 13, 2004]

seofreak

5:29 pm on Feb 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I have a site that I added just after austin .. was being crawled daily, new backlinks added daily .. and it was ranking pretty well for all the main keywords .. on 64.xx.xx.xx it is not found for those keywords at all .. is this update not considering new sites? coz jumping from page #1 to nowhere for a 3 week old site makes no sense.

Also the duplicate results thing isn't gone yet.

mquarles

5:31 pm on Feb 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I know there's no going back, but I feel a bit like a guy who's been out in the desert for 2 days with no food or water being offered a glass of cloudy water.

Back in the safety of my office, I would never have touched such water. Now, like most everyone else, I'm thankful because it's a lot better than no water.

MQ

brakkar

5:34 pm on Feb 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Why all this buzz? If people don't want to see PDF, .DOC, or commercial listing, there should be a setting in the preference (checkboxes) to choose to display them or not.
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