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Update Brandy Part 2

         

GoogleGuy

8:24 am on Feb 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Continued from: [webmasterworld.com...]


steveb, I believe the 64.x.x.x data center has the change, but I'm not positive. We use different terminology inside Google. :)

Powdork, I'm not sure if you'd call it an update exactly (different algorithms play more of a role than different data). But I'm guessing the change will probably roll out over the course of the weekend.

GodLikeLotus

12:41 am on Feb 14, 2004 (gmt 0)

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More Traffic Please <I would rather be #8 surrounded by irrelevant c**p results than #1 surrounded by viable competitors. This update is going to cost me.>

I would give your business plan some real thought.

nuevojefe

12:45 am on Feb 14, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I would rather be #8 surrounded by irrelevant c**p results than #1 surrounded by viable competitors. This update is going to cost me.

I pretty much have to agree, except that people are not very likely to sift thruogh 7 piles of ... to get to the real product.

I got hit pretty hard here, but my sites are new and were doing a lot better than I expected to begin with so I guess it's back to work.

steveb

12:46 am on Feb 14, 2004 (gmt 0)

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"I would rather be #8 surrounded by irrelevant c**p results than #1 surrounded by viable competitors."

Then you are being dangerously shortsighted.

If you have a high quality site, you better darn well want to be surrounded by the similarly high quality sites in your niche, because if this is the case it means Google is getting it right, and there is little (or much less) chance of you being accidentally or bizarrely lost.

People who want their sites to be jewels among doodoo have at best a one month vision, because at the next update they might be arbitrarily dropped and replaced by doodoo too.

What Florida and Austin and now Brandy have all done is value real, quality non-lightweight authoritative pages. Hopefully this is another step in the process where Google figures out how to better assign more niche relevance, as well as genuine niche authority.

If in my niche and all across the Internet great sites are ranking well, I for one sleep a lot better.

nuevojefe

12:52 am on Feb 14, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I tend to agree that the results do seem a lot better overall.

My only concern is that I see a lot of sites that have built themselves into an authoratative site with the push of a button, doing very well (dynamic and other generated spam).

Newman

12:53 am on Feb 14, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Finally, relevant results on 64.233.161.99

..."balance of commercial and info sites"...

..."That’s the way, uh-huh uh-huh, I like it!"...

ciml

12:54 am on Feb 14, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I can't fault the sentiment Steve, but if you have a high quality commercial site and now you're top in Google with the rest of the top10 being high quality non-commercial sites (or manufacturers that don't sell to the public), then you're likely to do well.

The upheaval can be very good for the people who are still there after their competition vanished, and many webmasters have recently had a taste of high rankings, even though they were previously buried.

More Traffic Please

1:07 am on Feb 14, 2004 (gmt 0)

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If you have a high quality site, you better darn well want to be surrounded by the similarly high quality sites in your niche, because if this is the case it means Google is getting it right, and there is little (or much less) chance of you being accidentally or bizarrely lost.

Steveb, I was referring to a serendipitous turn of events that a choice few sites were blessed with after the Florida-Austin updates. I never expected it to last

I can't fault the sentiment Steve, but if you have a high quality commercial site and now you're top in Google with the rest of the top10 being high quality non-commercial sites (or manufacturers that don't sell to the public), then you're likely to do well.

Thank you ciml

cayleyv

1:15 am on Feb 14, 2004 (gmt 0)

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If these results will go live this weekend it will be a huge and positive result.

To add some meaningful discussion (gossip?) the timing of this is coincidentally close to the date Yahoo is preparing to drop Google. Perhaps Google was doing some major algoritm testing at the expense of its largest partner? Perhaps G wanted to iron out the kinks before moving out on its own. Furthermore, they may have wanted to throw everyone into a loop and slow down competitors. Finally, what if this was a direct effort to get webmasters and SEO companies to remove spam, irrelevant links, and bogus design practices from their websites? I know many people who made drastic changes to hundereds of pages in blind hopes that they would be graced by good works.

This is what i love about search engine marketing. Reverse engineering based on pure speculation.

Rev up the conspiracy engine!

otnot

1:53 am on Feb 14, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Google is very good at keeping us guessing. I feel like Pavlov's dog. Florida was one of the best buisness moves I've seen in a long time. Drop most of the commercial sites prior to Christmas to raise their revenues (through adwords) before a rumored pulic offering. Then throw in Austin to confuse the rest of the pack. Now we have Brandy. Everyone is happy as he--. I think that the only reason the results have come back to where they are is because of Yahoo's test release of Ink. It's just a big game that we have no control over. So keep those adwords running and take the bones that are given to you. I learnd along time ago, that what is given to you can also be taken away without explanation.

GoogleGuy

2:12 am on Feb 14, 2004 (gmt 0)

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And if you use the keyword brandyupdate, I'll be able to find specific feedback..

simon03

3:01 am on Feb 14, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Well I'm gone again! I was back today for 9 of my kw's, but now I see a totally different set of results and I'm somewhere in the 4 digits.

Anyone else seeing this?

willybfriendly

3:17 am on Feb 14, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Everyone is happy as he--

Not everyone. Looks like I will be hurt on two major single keywords, though I held up well overall.

On the other hand, the results are generally relevant, so I can't make any general complaints. Time to do some studying.

WBF

jocelynd

3:28 am on Feb 14, 2004 (gmt 0)

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From what I can see here 64.**** ... propagated.
I find lots of the new results straight from google.com now.

Snookered

3:48 am on Feb 14, 2004 (gmt 0)

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>>Reverse engineering based on pure speculation

A bit like Bob Lazar's claim to been inside Area 51

Chicago

4:06 am on Feb 14, 2004 (gmt 0)

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yea, we are seeing the new index on www.

gg, what are you guys doing with the best *cities* + vertical. the uneven application of the algo logic with a bent toward the most important cities continues to raise our eyebrows.

sure we will take cincinnati, omaha, tampa, indianapolis, et al., but seattle, san francisco, chicago, nyc, et al. would be nice. even nicer, would be consistancy in the application of the algo. the contradications are painful.

this is how speculation begins.

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