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steveb, I believe the 64.x.x.x data center has the change, but I'm not positive. We use different terminology inside Google. :)
Powdork, I'm not sure if you'd call it an update exactly (different algorithms play more of a role than different data). But I'm guessing the change will probably roll out over the course of the weekend.
Frankly, I don't even know what data center 216 is. I'll drop an email to someone to ask about it and see who I can catch tomorra. Is good, yah?
For the people who are a little newer to WebmasterWorld: I do work at Google. I try to stop by, answer questions, and dispel misconceptions. Normally I can give pretty good answers or at least find the right person to ask. But I just speak for myself personally. I'm not some spokesperson or anything like that, but I try to do the best I can to help out with questions.
Has anyone seen Lost in Tranlation? Not too shabby of a movie. Pretty good music, I thought..
Hope Bill Murray gets the oscar...
Thank you for easing our concerns. It's possibility #2. This is good news. I hope the people at Google realize the chaos they created with the last two updates. My piece of advice for Google is please do this type of new algo testing offline it would make a lot of people lives happier.
So, thanks again for the info on 64, it's 3AM and I need to sleep but with so much drama... You've successfully pacified me, for the night at least.
And yes, great flick.
I'm still seeing Austin here but I'll take your advice and not stress out this weekend. :)
Thanks from Germany (Munich), 64**** has really the better Serps.
Sandy
Okay, I just talked to somebody else at Google. [Q: Why are Google people up after midnight on Valentine's Day? A: We (heart) search.] Sounds like 64.x.x.x is indeed the wave of the future. They did say that it may roll out over several days instead of being done over the weekend though. These folks know our production load, so I trust their judgment on that. If anything changes, I'll let you know. But for the time being, I would just check a couple queries on 64.x.x.x, see if you like it, and then go spend some quality time with your family, your pets, your GameCube/PS2/XBox, or a favorite book. Or all of the above. :)
I'm heading to bed, but I'll check in again tomorrow and let people know if there's anything else they need to know.
GoogleGuy's last tip o' the night. Click up on "control panel" up on the top of the page. Click on System Preferences. Change Messages per thread to 75 and click submit. Ahhh, a much nicer view of threads with 75 posts on each page. :)
"As I walk through this wicked world
Searchin' for light in the darkness of insanity.
I ask myself, is all hope lost?
Is there only pain and hatred and misery?
"And as I walked on through troubled times
My spirit gets so downhearted sometimes...
Cause each time I feel it slippin’ away, just makes me wanna cry:
What's so funny about 64.233.161.99"
[edited by: steveb at 8:58 am (utc) on Feb. 15, 2004]
64.233.161.99 is great for me - a vast improvement - but I just checked google.ca and my results are even better still on that!
I'll be happy with either, but if I get the Canada results on google.com - fantastic!
As a user I miss the old google and upset that they had to mess with a good thing...
According to the New Yorker magazine, there are four levels of Hell:
Which level of Hell are you in?
GG said it, I believe it, and that settles it: I'm waiting until Monday to take a peek, but I'm not going to consider it done until next Thursday or Friday.
I like Con Queso, myself.
GG - thanks for taking the time to take an individual look at that .us super spammer. That has to be one of the most amazing spam acheivements i've seen, (s)he just dominates for that industry.
Now that my new sites in that industry have taken the plunge, i'm not too concerned with him getting banned, there's already enough high quality results now!
...hilltop...
The sky has already fallen - it can't fall any more! This tweak has raised the horizon a bit.
I think given that this is now two days in, the changes have made drastic improvements but are far from perfect. SERPs seem to be more "illogical" now than "irrelevant". There are still lots of unfairly ranked sites absent from page 1,2,3,4 of the SERPS.
I would just check a couple queries on 64.x.x.x, see if you like it, and then go spend some quality time with your family, your pets, your GameCube/PS2/XBox, or a favorite book. -GG
Guess I'm off to fire up the Gamecube and play my new MOH game. Quick question before I do. Does anybody have a dance tool with the new IP's in it. The current one I use has all the old datacenters. Be nice to use one with the 64 results in it to compare.
BUT, when you try the .co.uk version it shows results that look same as those prior to the update.
Brew
I have noticed that my overall traffic is down a bit. There might be other factors for that than just this algo change.
However, looking at 64, we rank much better on many of our money phrases and of course it is way to early to speculate on how revenue will be effected, but my guess is that our traffic will decrease slightly, but sales will go up because it will be more relevant traffic.
GG, thanks for stopping in last night and clearing up the matter about 64 and 216. Also may I suggest you update your resume under your G work experience to include. "Responsible for holding the hands of millions of webmasters worldwide." It might fall in the requirement for worldwide communication skills.
[edited by: Ledfish at 2:07 pm (utc) on Feb. 15, 2004]
For my industry, the Brandy results look just like
the pre-Florida results, so maybe this was a rollback.
There was not much spamming in my industry, so maybe
the results are PreFlordia with some tweeks.
I'm a complete novice at this, but doesn't that suggest, if it uses a key generated by Google, that there may be more to come on on this and that there is some sort of time-lag between what we are currently seeing and what might arrive. Just like GG said in his earlier post - it might take a few days to arrive at what they intend.
So, I think nothing more to do than keep fingers crossed, waddle off to the cellar and find something tasty to go with Sunday nights dinner :) And hope that in next few days the results from 64.**** come to pass!
ME TOO!
More like a mixture.
Not for me, but, I would say that two things have happened:
a) The PR requirement to be seen as an authority site sems to have been reduced - so more sites with a lower PR than previously are reviewed in the secondary semantic parsing.
b) The number of semantic terms subjected to a secondary algo have been reduced slightly.
I have sites which are in highly competitive areas that were zapped by what appeared to be the OOP algo post Florida now re-appear with no changes having been done. I have sites that Austin zapped on certain terms, returning for some terms but not for others that got zapped at the same time. I have a lot of other sites that have not been affected at all over the currency of this whole saga to date - optimised in exactly the same way.
It all depends on the market areas you are in.
I can still show many examples where searches are illogical if not down-right irrelevant. I still see sub-domain spam and I still see directories/affiliate PPC engines dominating certain markets. However the number of relevant sites returned has risen in many markets - but certainly not all have benefited to the same extent - and I deal with a lot of them!
So, I must agree, this is not pre-Florida with tweaks, this is post-Austin with a roll-back of certain trigger points.
All IMO, of course :)
a) The PR requirement to be seen as an authority site sems to have been reduced - so more sites with a lower PR than previously are reviewed in the secondary semantic parsing.
You might have something there. My site is very focused on a UK only (micro) niche market. Organic links from high PR sites are hard to come by for specialists in this kind of market. If I was targetting a US market I guess my PR could easily be 2 clicks higher. If PR was part of the reason that smaller market (national focus) sites got dropped I hope that someone at Googleplex keeps that at the front of their mind next time they impose a change.
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Best wishes
Sid
[edited by: Brett_Tabke at 8:38 pm (utc) on Feb. 15, 2004]
[edit reason] we aren't doing specific keywords. [/edit]
