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Update Florida - Nov 2003 Google Update Part 4

         

Kackle

5:57 am on Nov 22, 2003 (gmt 0)



Continued from: [webmasterworld.com...]

Kackle - can you explain the "dictionary" for me? And how I might benefit from it - Im reading your posts hard but dont see where youre coming from.

Sure. But you have to act quickly. Google will fix this one just like they fixed the hyphen.

1. Google is depreciating pages/sites that are over-optimized for certain keywords or keyword combinations. It does this by looking up search terms in a dictionary of target keywords or keyword pairs that it has compiled. This dictionary is Top Secret, because if you knew what was in the dictionary, you could avoid these words in your optimization efforts.

2. If the search term or terms hit on a dictionary entry, the search results for that user's search are flagged. This means that before the results are delivered, the order of the links, or even the inclusion of links, are adjusted so as to penalize pages that have overoptimizated for those terms. Most likely the title, headlines, links and anchor text are examined. It's possible that external anchor text pointing to that page has also been pre-collected and is available for scanning, but this is much less likely. (Besides, external links are not something within your immediate control, so don't worry about it right now.)

3. You want to find out which keywords that are relevant to your site are in Google's dictionary. Compile as many relevant keywords you can think of that searchers might use to find your site. Now take these words singly and in pairs, according to how users might search. Run two searches for each combination and compare the results.

4. If the results are strikingly different for the pre-filter and the post-filter search on a particular term or combination of terms, it means that some variation of those terms has been flagged because something was found in Google's dictionary.

5. Do lots of searches and you can come up with a list of "sensitive" words that you'll want to avoid when you re-optimize your pages.

It's a nice weekend project.

James_Dale

11:19 pm on Nov 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Some datacentres are returning synonyms ~ by default. Very interesting!

BradBristol

11:19 pm on Nov 22, 2003 (gmt 0)



This nonsense about the -dhstahf on searches was blown out of the water by mfishy in message 770.

Not true - When you use -fhfhfh It is NOT showing allinanchor results.

Powdork

11:24 pm on Nov 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

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-lm is showing the fresh tags. Shows my site with its new title but still gone from the serps. The navlink info probably wouldn't be folded until the next mini update anyway. In the serps I am seeing more indented results on page one than I can recall.

Unca_Tim

11:32 pm on Nov 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I think I "may" be onto one of aspects of some peoples grief.

My site overall has faired fairly well in this update. The only place I've been whiped out completely is on my productname/moneykeyword phrase.

I have a support forum pointing at my index page with a graphic link and a text link. This in essence points 100s of pages at my site with the title from the pages and anchor text from the text links being productname/moneykeyword.

I also use my productname/moneykeyword for recip links.

Is it any cooincidence that my only completely missing keyword combination is productname/moneykeyword?

Unca

Stefan

11:35 pm on Nov 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Powdork, how about that... just checked -lm, there is a nov 22 tag on the index. I only get my logs zipped once a day... guess googlebot came through today post 5:00 UTC Nov 22

LateNight

11:36 pm on Nov 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Steveb - disagree the -uiy -yui is something other than allinanchor results. I rank well(pre-Florida) with a three word combo when I add the -yui -uyt to the search. I do a current allinanchor for it and I am gone. I have no inbounds or internal links with that word. IMO your theory is just that. I have 200 pages all doing well - just the words that used to rank on the index have been destroyed unless the -xtrf etc. is added to searches. The mystery continues....

superscript

11:39 pm on Nov 22, 2003 (gmt 0)



I don't want to be one of those blo*dy bores who keeps saying 'wait and see'

But this is clearly *not* the tail end of Florida - it is a new update.

BradBristol

11:47 pm on Nov 22, 2003 (gmt 0)



kw1 kw2 allinanchor results returned 647
kw1 kw2 -khsfdsdh (or whatever) results returned 2,550,000

I don't see how these two searches could possibly be returning the same results.

mrbrad

11:48 pm on Nov 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

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How about this: keyword -getalife

Check your priorities, I mean SERPS, for that one.

steveb

11:49 pm on Nov 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

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The results from the previous algorithm were usually nearly identical to an allinanchor search. They weren't precisely the same. Now
allinanchor:jewelry
and
jewelry -ystsrses
offer up the old style results, very similar but not exactly the same.

Do the same search for: expensive jewelry or discount jewelry. The results closely parallel allinanchor, but are not precisely the same.

Kackle

11:51 pm on Nov 22, 2003 (gmt 0)



"New User" posters should be paying attention to the isolated posts from members here who have more than 500 posts to their credit, instead of latching onto whatever bizarro idea some newbie concocts.

Pure hubris. How about those of us who lost our posting privileges on WebmasterWorld over a year ago for being too critical of Google, and are now using a new name?

Powdork

11:51 pm on Nov 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Here is something strange. When I search for my site by name on -lm it shows up with new title and Nov 22 tag. When I find it searching for the money phrase its right there at #313. Its among other sites with Nov 22 tags but it has none and it shows the old title.

Does anyone know how much more traffic I can expect if I move up to #312? ;)

steveb

11:51 pm on Nov 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

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"I don't see how these two searches could possibly be returning the same results."

? Why would you even think to compare those two numbers. They have nothing to do with each other.

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"How about those of us who lost our posting privileges on WebmasterWorld over a year ago for being too critical of Google, and are now using a new name?"

LOL. Thanks for driving the stake through your own heart. I guess its not the new results bugging you then huh?

superscript

11:53 pm on Nov 22, 2003 (gmt 0)



Dear Kackle - you're dead right.

Google worship has been the fashion, until it all goes wrong.

It's an electronic version of the mob really.

LateNight

11:58 pm on Nov 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

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SteveB - your example may hold for that word but the phrase I am looking at are night and day.

allinanchor:keyword1 keyword2 keyword3 are completely different from keyword1 keyword2 keyword3 -yuti -fgrd

- I think many of us are going to be eating Kraft Macaroni and Cheese for X-mas.

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