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The only thing that concerns me is whether sites returned after DomEsme due to the number of complaints and feedback leading to a googletweak, or whether it was just part of the process.
I've emailed feedback to google. I hope everyone moaning here has also done so ;)
Lets just hope the indexes return a little quicker than last time...
Like other people, I've found that with hyphens in the searchterm, it ranks where it always ranked - in the top 3. That's wierd.
have noticed that any title with a hyphen or hyphenated domain names are no where to be found.
Just not so.
In our main keyword two of the top 10 domains have hyphanated urls and two have hyphanated titles. (207,000 results)
In another term 6 of the top 10 have titles with hyphens and 4 out of 10 have hyphens in the url. (239,000 results)
I think this interesting. For a search I used to be #1 on, the top 10 or so links are all coming from Dmoz, they are identical down to the order in which they are listed.
something is not added in yet...I hope
[edited by: jddux at 1:38 am (utc) on Nov. 18, 2003]
This is really odd, I have a lot of unhappy clients today - they aren't even showing in the top 30 if you search for their names, eg 'Widget Town Resort & Spa' - we are not spamming in anyway, never have, and they all still have good PR.
Alta Vista: Met Opera ticket site #4 of non-sponsored results.
Pretty slick there!
If Google was "broken" across the board, then I'd expect even non-competitive SERPs to also have great changes. All sites would have an equal chance of getting hit. Leading me to suspect that what is happening is by design. Any significant change in spam filters would tend to most influence competitive SERPs, and leave non-competitive ones alone (because these have little "spamminess.") Thus, consider the theory a lot of the moaning around here is due to people being whacked by spam filters. Note I am NOT necessarily calling these people spammers. They could be what the military euphemistically refers to as "collateral damage" in the Google War on Spam.
Similar AltaVista rankings here, I am #1 for all my keywords there, and no where to be found on Google. Not quite Google though.
P.S. One of the above meantioned sites only has the keyword usage 3 or 4 times on the index page and has been in #1 spot for 4 years straight!
Also you cant keep preaching "white hat" then pull this crap when the christmas rush is coming or whenever you need to line your pockets. What you will intern recieve is "black hats" of your own creation.
That right google just made a whole new army of black hats on saturday, now googles problems are worse.
I then began to look and found a disaster.
I love Google, I live by it - but in general searches (not checking our Clients serps) I am finding a HUGE mess! I cant even find a local plummer anymore! ARGH!
Whats the excuse this time? "The searches will be better-better"?
HL
Which one is that? Is there a reference somewhere which equates the numbers with the www-xx datacenters?
Last time Dominic we were told "just wait the searches will be better"
Whats the excuse this time? "The searches will be better-better"?
that's cuz you spell it plumber not plummer.
I've heard that laughter can brighten a disastrous situation. Thank you for making me laugh during these rough times... :(
I am reading articles all over the web about the Florida update. The most interesting one I read was titled:
Google ruins US Economy and the X-Mas Season -AP
Maybe this update will lead to the down fall of Google as people start to move onto another search engine, maybe the Google SERP's will get better... Only time will tell.
Maybe Google are updating to Red Hat Enterprise ;)
I've heard that laughter can brighten a disastrous situation. Thank you for making me laugh during these rough times... :(
no problem :)
for the first time ever I am seeing lots of confused, angry and frustrated webmasters.
I agree, but there were angry, confused, frustrted webmasters before but not like this!, this time the balance between good and bad comments has shifted dramatically.
Perhaps the happy members have just learned not to post in threads like this about their success, and sit back and smile. ;)
Its update Domonic all over again. While reading this thread I feel like I stepped into a time machine taking me back to last May.
Didnt we learn anything from Domonic? Just like last time GoogleGuy has been saying over and over that not all the data has been incorporated yet. Yet webmasters still insist on predicting the demise of Google.
Guess what ... it didnt happen then, and it wont happen now!
A.) An environment where an easy to understand, documented, algorythm allows those that can manipulate their web content correctly to rise to the top.
B.)An environment where only you know the algorythm but changes to the algorythm are made based purely on end user feedback.
C.)An environment where only you know the algorythm and you change that algorythm when and how you choose.
By introducing significant changes, it will help to keep things more honest. If you knew that your site was basically stable in Google, then wouldn't you be tempted to make a little change and watch what happens, and then make another little change and watch what happens.
What if there were a place like WW where you could post your little changes, and the results. Guess what, other people would do the same, and little by little, the results would be based on little tricks and tweaks.
By adjusting things such that there is semi-chaos created and a sense of confusion on what does / doesn't work in Google, I think they are ensuring a long life.
Overall, I don't think Google has made too many huge mistakes, even though I've been as frustrated as everyone else here, on occassions.
[edited by: worker at 2:54 am (utc) on Nov. 18, 2003]
Perhaps the happy members have just learned not to post in threads like this about their success, and sit back and smile.
I think googles goal is to provide quality search results.
so B
in the long run quality search results will keep google around and give it the ability to
make money long term.
It could be considered rude to post of absolute delight and thanking the Google Gods amongst a bunch of the webmasters whose sites had the reverse fate, and are in angst. And consider that the content, confident, satisfied and pleased webmaster just doesn't have the emotional need to post as much as the angry, confused, frustrated, and suicidal webmaster. I still find it curious that all the test info SERPs I have checked looked good post update.
and thats why this thread is so long.
Incorrect-- the answer is C.)
Why? If only you know the aglorythm, and can change it a will. You can shake the serps anytime you want.
Why is that important? Well, it's because you can threaten the income of every online business.
Why is that important? Well, it's because these people, once threatened, look for stability.
Why is that important? Well, it's because paid advertisements are stable, as long as you are willing to pay.
Backlinks updated on -zu.
www-va showing them too with the new Google backlinks being 299,000.
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yahoo at 762k
[edited by: steveb at 3:25 am (utc) on Nov. 18, 2003]
Oh yeah! Just found that baby on page 13... that's right from top 10 page 1 to page 13...
Good Times!
If Google was "broken" across the board, then I'd expect even non-competitive SERPs to also have great changes. All sites would have an equal chance of getting hit. Leading me to suspect that what is happening is by design.
There are plenty of sites with affiliate links that are not spammers. There are even more affiliate sites that are somewhat or very spammy. I hope G is going after spammers and not all affilate sites. Either way, there seems to be a lot of collateral damage.
Why are people posting before it's done? To let G know this update so far has problems. It takes a while - especially when minutes can seem like days as is currently the case - but always in the past G got the message. I'll keep assuming that will be true again, until G proves otherwise. If and when G lets the good guys down, there will be hell to pay. It's theirs to lose and so far they haven't lost it.
216.239.37.100
It could be considered rude to post of absolute delight and thanking the Google Gods amongst a bunch of the webmasters whose sites had the reverse fate, and are in angst. And consider that the content, confident, satisfied and pleased webmaster just doesn't have the emotional need to post as much as the angry, confused, frustrated, and suicidal webmaster. I still find it curious that all the test info SERPs I have checked looked good post update.
That's fine but we do not work in the same industry {adult}. Google is not God if it were all serps would be 100% correct in all industries but they are not. Google has made it perfectly clear that zero and duplicate content zero backlinks, doorway pages are legitamite ways to achieve top spots for competitive terms. I wish not to accomplish top rankings by cheating but I guess have to now to survive.
[edited by: ulysee at 3:34 am (utc) on Nov. 18, 2003]
Interesting theory. How many here have been creamed that have no affiliate links, and also are not spammers?
SERP's are starting to make a bit more sense that have the new backlinks. Anyone else seeing this?
I am seeing that our PR went up from 5 to 6, and that our backlinks ahve gone from 61 to 82. Yet we still got moved from top 5 position to mid 50s. It does not make any sense yet, but obviously the update isnt over,...so I am hoping the backlink and PR update means something good is coming.
I wouldn't be surprised that Google has just thrown in the towel when it comes to adult sites. Trying to keep up with the spam in that area is something that they may consider to be economically unfeasible.
Noticing that this backlink update does not include the Google Directory link that we got after the recent Directory update. A little disappointing, but at least there's something to look forward to.
The updated G directory has shown my link with the new PR since saturday :P
I also see a toolbar PR update now!...hmmm...wasn't there one last week too?
I've climbed up to PR7!, but my ranking has dropped by more than a hundred results.
And finally, maybe one of the strangest things I've seen for a while: on some DCs I show PR5, on some I show PR6, and on some I show PR7. I have never seen 3 different PR scores listed across DCs for the same site.
[edited by: James_Dale at 3:49 am (utc) on Nov. 18, 2003]
if you search keyword1-keyword2 and look at the highlighted words in the SERPS, google only highlights:
keyword1 keyword2 it would not highlight keyword1 keyword3 keyword2
if you search keyword1 keyword2 and look at the highlighted words in the SERPs, google will highlight every occurance of keyword1 and keyword2
Could there be some sort of pentaly for over optimizing keywords?
But that extra green in the toolbar may impress those few who find your site. Yeah, I know. REALLY bad humor.
Just kidding!
Would be very odd indeed though, if Google decided to keep a PR7 site optimized for a 200,000 competing results phrase, buried on page 16 of the SERPs. I don't see any site above me with PR as high as 7.
[edited by: James_Dale at 3:56 am (utc) on Nov. 18, 2003]
Noticing that this backlink update does not include the Google Directory link that we got after the recent Directory update
Same here. Google's cache of the Google Directory page my site is listed on is older than the one showing before the update. Also several of the recently indexed pages are missing. It seems a chunk of recent data has fallen into limbo.
So that's the secret real index! eheh trying to convince myself everything is ok....lol
