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Index page ranking highly again

         

jetboy_70

9:30 am on Jul 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Like many others here, since the first stirrings of Dominic I've had an internal page ranking higher than my index page, and a corresponding slide down the SERPs for searches on my site name. In my case the internal page in question was listed on DMOZ in addition to the site as a whole. As overall Google traffic didn't seem to be affected negatively, only my pride was hurt ...

Today, everything seems to be back as it should be; the index page is returned when I search on the site name, and it has been boosted a couple a places from its pre-Dom ranking.

Is anyone else seeing this problem getting fixed for their own sites?

BigJay

10:25 pm on Jul 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Regardless of changes in Google, which we cannot control nor manage to guess the direction on future crawls & indexes,

What matters most, is that people are actually searching for what you provide. ( info, products, etc.. )

I think all my people are on vacation, and probably will be until August.

Let's just hope google indexes are pages well by then.

Beachboy

10:26 pm on Jul 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Ha. After probably half a year of the index page for one of our sites not ranking at all, it's now #4 out of 1.44 million for its critical kw phrase. Good to see you again, Ms. Index Page. Ironically, the other pages in the site had been ranking way higher than the index until now.

steveb

10:50 pm on Jul 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

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This dead horse has been dead for months so no need to beat it much further, but there is no "guess" in going to a Google directory category with an alphabar (meaning all links back to it from these alphabars will normally be exactly equal in PR) and see that only 4 of 26, or 18 of 26, of the backlinks were showing.

There is no guessing in objective facts. Perhaps you think "data failure" means something more catastrophic, but the failed deepcrawl and missing backlinks is an objective failure that nobody who spent five minutes looking would need to "guess" at.

Goanna1

3:57 am on Jul 12, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I am still seeing major problems in the results. For the keywords that I observe, over 60% of the top 20 sites have back links that are almost entirely from guest books.

AthlonInside

4:19 am on Jul 12, 2003 (gmt 0)

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There are no filters?

Google is broken?

These are the reasons why all the serious threads discussing the related topic have so many noises making them so lenghtly and useless. :(

Serious poster has always request those that disagree to stay out of the thread but it usually ended up with noises dominating the thread. :(

But the problem will temporary be solved by now. But it would 'rise' again one day.

AhmedF

6:03 am on Jul 12, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Goanna ... is it a two word phrase starting with w? ;-)

I have been seeing guestbook spam everywhere. And its not as if they are being shown but being discounted .... the guestbook links are the ONLY ones they have!

Goanna1

6:37 am on Jul 12, 2003 (gmt 0)

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AhmedF, no but I am sure this problem is not an isolated one because I have seen the same thing for several competitive Keywords. And they definitely are counting because in most cases the sites have nothng but guest book links.

Napoleon

8:15 am on Jul 12, 2003 (gmt 0)



I hope it's an isolated and temporary incident: but a handful of those index files have this morning gone again on -FI again (+www2/3).

If it's a problem it's still not fixed. If it's an intentional filter, they are still messing with it. Either way, we may not be out of the water yet, and may still see a return to those truly awful SERPS of the last few weeks.

DroffatsX3

9:52 am on Jul 12, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>>>I hope it's an isolated and temporary incident: but a handful of those index files have this morning gone again on -FI again (+www2/3).

I'm seeing the same thing as you on -fi.

Tropical Island

12:09 pm on Jul 12, 2003 (gmt 0)

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We were having index page problems a few weeks ago however this morning we are still in the same spot we've been all week on -fi.

rfgdxm1

3:32 pm on Jul 12, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>I have been seeing guestbook spam everywhere.

My best guess is that in the switchover from the traditional once a month update process to continuous updating, either Google managed to temporarily break the guestbook filters; or they intentionally removed them temporarily because they had more important worries. This just isn't the biggest of priorities that they worry about. Not that they totally don't care, but in the middle of major upgrade there are bigger fish to fry.

yankee

5:08 pm on Jul 12, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I've also noticed links from statistics usage files are counting again. They, along with guestbook links, are not supposed to count. My guess is it's temporary, and in the near future they will show as backlinks but not count in scoring.

merlin30

8:42 pm on Jul 12, 2003 (gmt 0)

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AthlonInside,

Your request that people who do not agree with you have no right to participate in a discussion is truly arrogant.

Goanna1

12:01 am on Jul 13, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>there are bigger fish to fry

rfgdxm1, yes I agree that they have probably removed the filter for the time being. But guest book links are having a huge effect on many competitive keywords at present. Once they are reapplied, we should see significant changes to those SERPS.

batdesign

2:45 am on Jul 13, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Now we're complaining about google ranking too many sites are we? ;)

I'm just happy that my main problem site which nosedived into obscurity after Dominic has returned to the #3 spot (then gone again for 3 days, then back again) and has now been stable for 5 days.

I could care less anymore how the sites ahead of me got there. Recent events have made me realise that a good ranking is a good ranking. If people spam to get ahead, whatever...

After two months of virtually no sales via google free listings, it's great to see those clicks coming in again!

AthlonInside

3:18 am on Jul 13, 2003 (gmt 0)

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merlin30,

Discussion is good. But discussion with too many noise is not so good. Then why do you think Brett need to premoderate this special forum? :)

Spica

4:39 am on Jul 13, 2003 (gmt 0)

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What I am seeing right now on -fi seems quite different from what is on the other data centers. Anyone else seeing a significant change?

annej

4:54 am on Jul 13, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Yep, the spammiest page in the top 10 for my top key word just moved up two points in -fi. I don't know why it's in the top 10 at all. It has to be tons of small time inbound links as there is nothing on the page but an animated graphic.

mrguy

5:39 am on Jul 13, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Don't know what your seeing, but for my SERP's after two months of agony I'd be happy if they never changed again.

No bad spam and I'm right where I should be on all the datacenters.

rfgdxm1

5:59 am on Jul 13, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Yes Spica. I started a new thread about -fi, but the mods apparently are all out having fun at the moment. -fi has the newest continuus update index.

mrguy

6:47 am on Jul 13, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I guess it depends on what SERPS your looking at.

For several sets of SERPS I watch, -fi is exactly the same as all the others where as a few weeks ago it was all over the place.

So perhaps, the filters and missing data are being brought in over a period of time and it just affects block of sites at different intervals.

I have not seen the SERPS I monitor including fi this stable for several months.

steveb

7:34 am on Jul 13, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I see mostly solid results across the board with little of the post May 1st problems, but I also see what I fear may be a problem that Google is facing.

The general heading is "fresh trash", but to be more specific, I mentioned something a month ago and sent in a spam report as Google Guy requested. Basically some guy was making multiple 1000 page "sites" that were 90% identical (the ads part) and had a couple paragraphs of text that was changed so that each page was "unique". Problem was the text was not coherent at all -- keywords wre just randomly inserted in the same place on each page, so that you might get "wear a sweater when it is cold" on one page and on another it would say "wear a tractor when it is cold". 1000 pages of gibberish, done on ten domains, so like 10,000 pages of this gibberish total.

These pages ranked well for many, many terms because they were optimized up the wazoo -- one thousand links of laserbeam anchor text per keyword, page titles stuffed with the keyword, page text stuffed with gibberish using the keyword.

Well, Google swooped in and slapped all this trash down when stuff settled down the other day. But now, once again, new trash appears. No content at all except the gibberish text, and ranking at #1 for some specialized stuff, and at #15 for a very competitive term.

It still seems that a way to beat the new Google is to throw up insta-site after insta-site with nothing but hyper-optimization. Maybe sites like this will be able to do well for three weeks out of the month, before they are slapped down for good like what happened a few days ago.

On the other hand, it may be just that this site escaped when all its brothers were squashed. I hope so, because the implications of heavily seo'ed disposable "fresh" pages are pretty scary.

steveb

7:49 am on Jul 13, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Just checked the above site and it shows 2440 inurl pages (must have thought 1000 wasn't enough...), with exactly six (all PR4) backlinks showing to its main page (also only six on All the Web).

These sites are like those bugs in the commercials fearing getting spraid by Raid bug spray... when pagerank is introduced, they die. But for now, its self-generated anchor text is winning the day.

merlin30

7:49 am on Jul 13, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I see -ab assuming a significantly different index (happens every few refreshes), with -fi showing a slight variation.

Napoleon

8:14 am on Jul 13, 2003 (gmt 0)



It looks to me like the index may be starting to go down the pan again (and again I hope I'm wrong).

In addition to -FI starting to lose the odd site, some of the other centers are missing index files as well, but only on the first search. Repeating the search and all is fine.

It has the feel of instability. It happens for the odd site, and not always at the same center.

We are obviously not on the same scale as 2 weeks ago, but the problem is there. Of course it could be a transiant feature, but it could also be the start of the slippery slope to those crap results again.

musicman

10:51 am on Jul 13, 2003 (gmt 0)



For serps for our keyword phrase, -FI is now showing site titles and descriptions that are old and have been changed, whereas the other DCs are showing current ones. -FI also shows less results.

Tropical Island

11:56 am on Jul 13, 2003 (gmt 0)

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We are also seeing another shuffle. 3 different sets of results across all the data centers. No apparent problem with our index pages or rankings - just small shuffles.

One site that we follow is still showing dead backlinks (from April) and another new site with backlinks still shows no PR as well as our new pages added over the last 3 months - they are in the index.

It seems that although some would like to put the last update to bed there are still a lot of loose ends to wrap up.

chompy

11:57 am on Jul 13, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Last week my site was listing in .co.uk pr1 and .com pr3 now both pages are pr3 and all the new style pages listed last week have disappeared and are back to the site pages of a month ago. Ranking is far from stable from my point of view.
Deep crawled by gbots most of the past week. I hope this isn't the final update for the month...
Past month, like most have posted here, has been a period of fluctuating results and so it remains.

vbjaeger

1:46 pm on Jul 13, 2003 (gmt 0)

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What I am seeing right now on -fi seems quite different from what is on the other data centers. Anyone else seeing a significant change?

My site is nowehere to be found on -fi, ww2, or ww3 however for all other datacenters that i've checked we moved up 8 pages.

mipapage

1:55 pm on Jul 13, 2003 (gmt 0)

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steveb,

I see the same for some sites in the serps I watch (gibberish text spammers - maybe not as sophisticated as your). There's a small group that sell SEO services no less - all with hiden text and interlinks, and another inside a bigger chain of sites that spans different industries.

I guess what I get from this is that, although the serps look decent, I don't think simple spam is being dealt with yet.

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