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9:30 am on Jul 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Like many others here, since the first stirrings of Dominic I've had an internal page ranking higher than my index page, and a corresponding slide down the SERPs for searches on my site name. In my case the internal page in question was listed on DMOZ in addition to the site as a whole. As overall Google traffic didn't seem to be affected negatively, only my pride was hurt ...

Today, everything seems to be back as it should be; the index page is returned when I search on the site name, and it has been boosted a couple a places from its pre-Dom ranking.

Is anyone else seeing this problem getting fixed for their own sites?

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Hi

Index pages are coming and going - you may be lucky and stick, or may see it disappear again in a matter of hours or days.

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UK_Web_Guy is correct. Some of these sites have returned and have been stable for a few days.... others (the majority) are still in and out at each center.

The situation has improved slightly on a week or so ago, as at that point none of the 'twilight zone' sites were stable.

Hang in there and hope they stick. For those that are still fluctuating (some of which seldom appear... but do sometimes) let's hope that they settle down as well.

I've actually made a number of these into test zones, loosening anchor text (that which I had influence over) and so on (I had to do SOMETHING!). We may see in due course whether this has any effect.

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so far mine have all been back for 3 days, just checked still hanging on :)
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Everything was fine until this morning. Now on www, www2, www3 and -fi on one of our sites our FAQ page is the only thing in sight and has moved backwards on our two principal search terms when in fact it should(?) be going the other way. Really strange.

By should(?) I mean we have added new content, picked up additional quality back links from high PR industry leaders and have been around for 4 years.

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My pages appear #1 for a keyword for a few hours/half day and then dissappear for the rest of the day (out of the top 500). This has been going on for 2 weeks.

Sometimes a page will be #1 on all 9 datacenters than in a couple hours completely gone again or only on 1 or 2 centers.

Maybe Google will work out this bug sometime soon.

A page completely vanishing and resurfacing #1 every other day has nothing to do with a "rolling update", rather a really weird ploy by Google or a problem with data.

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Interestingly, when my page is gone the #2 and #3 results are way out of date. #2 is a domain regristration holding page and #3 is a "page moved". Both of these pages have been like this for at least 4 months. This gives me a glimmer of home that this is a glitch not a penalty.
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I can hardly believe that Google is penalizing index pages. My own theory runs as follows. Google must have a robust algorithm that will work over distributed datacentres and deliver maximum "relevancy".

Each web page is treating as an independent entry in the database(s) and analyzed for its content relative to the keywords in the given Search. The question of whether the most relevant web page is say an index.htm page or something buried within a website will be determined by that individual webmaster. For Google to assume that internal pages are automatically more keyword relevant than index pages would be less than wise.

Since I have high faith in the brilliance of the Google crowd, I am sure that they take all pages at face value.

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I'm seeing the same thing - ranking of some of pages fluctuating wildly. Other times my older pages are visible in the google cache.

noticed from my logs that a seriously deep crawl is going on. Seems to have kicked off today.

Anyone else noticing stuff in their logs?

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I had PR4 on my index page and PR3 throughout my site.

I now seemed to have dropped an entire rank throughout. Now I have PR3 on my index page and PR2 on a load of deeper pages. :/

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The index page of my main $ site had been M.I.A. for weeks. My links page was ranking #1 for the phrase that I had optimized my index page for.

Fortunately, the index page has returned to the SERPS (as so has our traffic). Whatever was wrong, whether lost data or bad filter, seems to me to have been corrected.

There just was no logical explaination that I could find anywhere that would justify the SERPS as they were. Still no comment from GG.

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Mine came back a few days ago and stuck until last night when I noticed them starting to drop again on 2 or 3 of the centers. I'm sure it will work it's way across.

This time however, the index page is not dropped out of the index completly, just moved down to be beat by new pages, established sites and doorways even though I still am #1 for anchor text.

For a few days they were solid all the way across and now once again, they starting to drop.

Looks like Google is still not done doing whatever it is they are doing.

The funny thing is for one term that is equally optimized and #1 in anchor text has stayed solid through the whole thing.

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I vanished at dominic, came back 2 days ago. Now I am hovering between 4-6 data centers.

Very weird stuff. I rank at the top for allinanchor/url/site.

Certain data centers show my index page first search, on the second its gone, (sj/zu).

This leads to me to the conclusion that :

A:) Google is applying a keyword filter to sites that have overoptimized allinanchor.

Filter gets taken off, you appear, it goes on, you dissapear. There is no other reason!

We can wait for it to settle, hopefully when it does settle we are there in a good position.

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Jaffstar,

If there was a filter, why would they take it off?

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We're back now. For the first time since dominic, we're actually listed as #1 in allinanchor, allintext and allintitle. Prior to 2 days ago, all we had was allinanchor.

Either they settled this thing down a bit or the chief knob turner took an early 4th. :)

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I don't beleive that Google is penalizing sites for too much keyword optimization. In my case, I am ranking #1 for a certain keyword and am also #1 when I do an allinanchor for that keyword. Here's the interesting thing when I did a bit of research...This certain keyword is prominent in my Title tag and written only once within my content on that page...interesting...By the way, the keyword is NOT in my URL. In fact, the keyphrase I have in my URL doesn't even rank on the first page...

Dave.

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My site appeared #4 today for our keyphrase, but now its back to #81 again. When I type in my site's address (index pg) its a PR7. When I click on it (same exact address) through Google, it has a grey bar.
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I have noticed then when you click a link from inside google it has a grey bar, Trust me :) your site does not have a grey bar.

Here is the test: Open up i.e type your url, if it comes up with a green pr7, you dont need to worry.

I think they are making it difficult to find pr results through the serps.

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Looks like the knob turners were resting...things are in flux yet again.
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My index disappeared, and I have a new fresh tag (july 2).

Is anyone seeing backlinks changing? Mine have been constant for a month or more, suggesting that all the hopping of pages, is still some kind of transition, rather than a rolling update.

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Is it me, or has the other thread exploring this problem disappeared? That one had rather more depth to it in terms of investigating the problem, with some interesting ideas... but it appears to have been deleted.

Anyone?

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Perhaps WW have started using Google technology!
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It seems to be back.... wonder what happened?
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My top keyword puts my index page back to exactly where it was before Dominic. I hope it isn't just a temporary throwback to an earlier time.
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I haven't seemed to get any change in recent index page ranking for us. Since, Esmerelda a certain variety of pages come up in the SERPs for different keyword searches. We get a majority of non-index entry pages now. I don't know if this is good or bad, yet.
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Yup!

Their at it again.

So this is the new Google, totally different SERP listings every 3 or 4 days!

One day my index page is deemed the most authoritive. The next it's not.

Now that's conisistancy!

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Its crazy whats going on.

I manage a lot of sites and am seeing a lot of all the above.

Great listings the one day and page 20 the next - for many of the sites.

Its really terrible for us webmasters and for all of you that think the average user doesnt know or care about the instability then you are VERY wrong.

Many people find websites and remember how to get back to them by remembering the search term they originally used - not everyone bookmarks!

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>>and remember how to get back to them by remembering the search term they originally used - not everyone bookmarks! <<

Ive seen this statement a few times. Many years back people ONLY bookmarked. As search engines developed and started to provide fairly static results yes, perhaps people just assumed that the site would always be there when they go back again.

But why is this a problem for users? they still have to remember the query. I myself never have kept track of sites this way, and im on the web and use SEs a lot. Is there really any evidence that users, as opposed to webmaster's use this method a lot?

Now it looks like we are moving to having more "dynamic serps". People will just change their behaviour again to bookmarking to compensate, and have the added advantage of seeing new and more sites more often. Its a behavioural modification thing, and if the sERPS seem relevant to the user each time, I dont think they will see a problem. When you use the web which changes all the time, you learn all the time how best to use it...

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Hmm... definitely different serps. For certain client terms, looks like they finally weeded out results from a public bulletin board.

Works for my client.

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I think inexperienced users ARE more likely to use that method to find sites again. Us webmasters wouldn't.

For my part, I am bouncing between #1 and c.#15 for my main search term. Last time round, it stuck for four days and I got my hopes up. Changed this morning and I have to start praying again. This is no way to run the net's most important search engine.

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