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I also notice it seems that Google has 2 banks of datacenters. Only one of the 2 does the partial update. Next partial update, the other bank of datacenters is used. Looks to me like -ex, -in, and -zu are involved this time. And, possibly -va. However, it could be that all of these are being rerouted all to one physical datacenter. Looking at traceroutes this may be the case.
I see it as google shifting things in the direction everything will be going in soon enough...
get used to it i say!
Harley
Sure, reneewood. I would expect at least another update of the form where the crawl/index cycle finishes and then data centers are updated in the traditional dance.
from: WebGuerrilla's compilation thread: [webmasterworld.com...]
That "another update" was Esmeralda, combined with the merge of deep and freshbot and the signs seem to be going in that more frequent or continuous direction.
[edited by: vitaplease at 11:43 am (utc) on June 24, 2003]
100% continuous update
Its more like an slow update process with continuous crawling...
Funny, I'm leaning towards cw leading the way as far as I can see.
I think we will see a rolling update soon, however I believe this update will, eventually, end.
BTW, SERPS on WWW and all datacenters have made a huge switch again, burying one page I follow from #2 to nowhere. This dance still has legs or it's just randomness from here on out :)
1. www-fi.google.com
2. www-dc.google.com
3. www-va.google.com
4. www-ab.google.com
5. www-ex.google.com
6. www-cw.google.com
7. www-in.google.com
I feel fi, dc, va, ab have same data and ex, cw, in have other set of same data. ex, cw and in have more pages indexed and data is more current.
Yah, which leads me to believe these are a bit ahead of the game.
Strange - Yahoo is showing results for a few terms that are not in any of the datacenters but briefly appeared in a few last night. Somehow the SERPS stuck on Yahoo. I know because I have a highly searched term in Yahoo but no other index and referals are still rolling in.
Maybe this is a rolling update...
Also noticed the phenomenon in Yahoo, etc. datacentre switches are going completely crazy, more than I've seen before. I'm hoping -cw will disappear!
Imagine getting to visit different sites on each search. Better variety.
-Esmeralda was a witch. Don't think witches die do they?
-Sliced, diced, & spliced Update thread locked down tight as a tick before the "update's" over--or was it over then?Boxed up nice & tidy, an historical document for the "last dance"?
-Hardly any commentary from GG with regard to Esmeralda, but he did say expect one more traditional update after Dominic and here we are at the tail-end of some animal. If your theory is correct, I'd guess Esmeralda's out-to-pasture & we're off to a sputtering roll start.
rfgdxm1, any hints or guesses over there as to how the ODP factors into a continuous update?
Well, more variety anyway. It remains to be seen if
more would consistently mean better.
Out of the many top results for a given query perhaps Google could see that in some cases there is no meaningful difference in score between two results. While they may calculate score values to a precision of 1/1000th or something, I doubt the Google folks or anyone would contend that they can be that accurate.
So if you have two results that whose scores are so close as to be indistinguishable, why shouldn't Google mix up the order these results are displayed? There are some simple techniques to ensure users would get the same results within a session, but two users executing the same query might get a slightly different result set.
This would benefit users because results that were "just as good" but otherwise buried might bubble out of obscurity. While the lack of stability is disconcerting to some, I think it's really the lack of quality that people complain about.
It would be good for sites because the dramatic ebb and flow of traffic resulting from a slight change in scoring would be dampened somewhat.
And it might be good for Google by reducing the incentive to exploit loopholes in their algorithms.
It's just the folks here that would hate it, I think :-)))
I'd guess likely not much at all. Only thing that comes to mind is that I'd expect Google to keep a close eye on the ODP. With a continuous update, I'd suspect that changes at the ODP would tend to be factored in fast. If so, being added or dropped from the ODP could effect a site more quickly.
weird..
Esmarelda will be "finished" at some point. "Francine" may go on forever.
The next update is a male term. I vote for Update "Fibonacci".
I have been seeing continous updates as well.
Is this really a good thing for the casual surfer?
I think people have come to expect a certain level of consistency that may not be offered with a "rolling update". I am not fighting change, or stating that I mind one way or another (roll with the punches...ya know?)....but will this be something that the average user appreciates or will it be a hinderance to locating the same information?
I certainly appreciate "fresh" news, but is it applicable to all searches?
I tend to be more of a google supporter than a google "chicken little", but I'm starting to wonder if all this madness isn't just a ploy to keep seo industry amateurs confused. I'm guessing that the boys and girls at G are either laughing or crying hard right now, and with all the brainpower they have their, I would probably put my money on the former.
This quote from wired magazine always stands out in my mind....."In general, optimizers make a living by guessing what Google regards as important. The way Brin sees it, the optimizers are co-opting Google's bond of trust with its users. He regards optimizers the way a mother grizzly might regard a hunter jabbing at her cub with a stick."
I'm guessing that a little short-term disappointment for users is worth the long-term benefit of throwing most seo "huntin' dogs" off the scent of google's algo. By keeping seo's away from manipulating results, it offers long-term benefits to users by reducing the amount of spam (which is ultimately the nemesis of a quality search engine).
Most of us know that this will be a "whole new ballgame" for doing SEO. For now, the only thing we can do is build quality sites with good structure and informational content, and hope for the best.
I think the mamma grizzly is growling and clawing a bit. Just my .02
[edited by: stuntdubl at 4:17 pm (utc) on June 24, 2003]
This is all part of the changes GoogleGuy said we would all be happy about!
Here is my advice
BE PATIENT - If you wait long enough your site might be totally gone rather than appearing and vanishing.
BUILD CONTENT - It beats mowing the lawn and maybe someday Google may index it for a few hours.
GET LINKS - Just make sure they aren't descriptive links cause then you'll be booted from all relevant terms.
PUT YOUR SALES COPY ON EVERY PAGE - May annoy the user but this way when GG ranks your contact page #1 and buries your index page, at least you got a shot at a sale
LOOK ON THE BRIGHT SIDE- At least you now have a new chance of being #1 every day
IF YOU ARE A WW MEMBER AND YOUR SITES ARE DOING WELL - Make sure to call all the others whiners and say that Google is fine it's just that "Your site sucks!"
:)
Seriously, though, the only plan that keeps me cranking through all this is putting out tons of pages and sites. Throw enough #$@#@ against the wall and some will stick.
I agree! Looks like this is really the only way to do good an Google anymore.
If what were seeing are the changes we all would be happy about, stop the bus and let me off.....
I think people have come to expect a certain level of consistency that may not be offered with a "rolling update".
I disagree. In fact, many "searchers" actually assume that Google is constantly being updated. A "once-a-month" update schedule just doesn't make sense unless you have some deeper knowledge about how Google works. Personally, I learned about the monthly "update" the day I found this forum :)
Yeah, a lot of people I know think Google should be like the computer on the Enterprise. Always with the right, up to the moment answer. In the past, the truth is Google could have put on the home page "The current index is stale by X days, as the last update was on [insert date here.]" The searchers would much prefer seeing something like "The current index is updated daily for your maximum search satisfaction."
I disagree. In fact, many "searchers" actually assume that Google is constantly being updated.
This is probably true, but I think searchers expect the same results to be in the same "ballpark" as they were before. I am certainly not non-bias, but for some of the terms I have been noting lately, sites can go from top 20 to past 200 in a matter of hours. I hope there will be more consistency than this, and I expect that there will be.
