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Current Hapiness Ranking With Google Update

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webdev

12:25 pm on May 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I've been quiet over the last couple of days after ranting when this all started because I have been assuming things would get better for me in the SJ and FI results etc.... but as of yet still nothing to get excited about. I just wondered what other peoples perceptions are at this point in time on the overall update moving forward.

1) Very Happy -Doing great up there for all my important terms.
2) Happy - Slightly higher rankings than last month.
3) Average - Haven't really gained or lost.
4) Poor - Lost quite a few important keywords.
5) Diabolical - The whole update is awful please revert back to current SERPS.

GG mentioned things would start to improve as they factored things in.....mine haven't so I'm going for number 5....hoping that they will at some point....

My own experience: I was ranked great for very important keyphrases the last 6 months along with another 9 sites who all jostled for position on the first page. I'm now page 7 and they are all still jostling for the first page although I have far more backlinks, pages indexed etc... etc....

ksoper78

2:27 pm on May 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

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1 - Overjoyed, doing back-flips!

atadams

2:28 pm on May 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

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5 for what I see on www-sj

3 for what's on www

The update hasn't happened, I can't gauge the results until it does.

Chicago

2:28 pm on May 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

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-SJ is rotating in LIVE at google.com - why in the world?

When sites have yet to be brought in? Make no sense from a user standpoint, let alone a SEO.

With every other refresh, we are getting -sj results on G.com- just bad.

5

webdev

2:28 pm on May 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Do you think its safe to say all those who are happy will be unhappy when the new algo is fully implemented and all of us who are not doing backflips will be :)

Chicago

2:30 pm on May 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

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for those were unhappy, like me because of sites not being in the index that were there before are gonna be even more upset when they see the incomplete results in G.com like they are NOW.

In fact run a search on the toolbar and run the same search in the address bar- uh, can we say inconsistant, incomplete, and incomprehensible?

corpuscle

2:35 pm on May 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I'm not at all happy. I'll go for a 5.

My traffic has almost halved over the past two days. I can see the new results on sj, www, www2, etc - everywhere.

The fact that my traffic (which has been stable for months) just has halved suggests that lots of users are already seeing the new update on the live www server.

My new competitors are a large set of one-page domains, heavily crosslinked with practically no visible external inbound links, and a relatively good pr.

trillianjedi

2:38 pm on May 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

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It's simply too organic to bother gauging it now - seems to change every 5 mins.

Try this thread again in a weeks time.

TJ

Chicago

2:40 pm on May 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

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TJ-

Understanding that the index is obviously incomplete, I CAN NOT understand why they would be rotating it into G.com?

I was being totally reasonable before, knowing this was behind the scenes and being reassured by what GG said. But to wake up this morning and see these MISERABLE SERPs rotating LIVE has taken this issue to a whole new level in my consideration.

wackmaster

2:56 pm on May 8, 2003 (gmt 0)



Chicago,

We haven't seen that at all and have been watching closely. Odd. Do you still see it now? Maybe someone hit the wrong red button and just undid it?

I (believe) I have seen GG posts implying that the average Joe would not know a difference if they used the new algo with a two-month-old index (or maybe someone else said that).

Webmasters, some at least, would certainly be less trusting of G in the future if they published an old index now...but maybe that's not all bad...

To me it all says, hope for the best, plan for the worst...

Chicago

3:04 pm on May 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Wackmaster,

yes we see it. clear as day. about every 5th or 6th refresh.

quite bothersome to see this.

trillianjedi

3:05 pm on May 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Understanding that the index is obviously incomplete, I CAN NOT understand why they would be rotating it into G.com?

I know - judging by the (too) numerous postings on this, a lot of people are asking the same question.

As other people have said though, most users wouldn't notice that, and it's unlikely to harm the google image from a users perspective.

I can only guess that they're monitoring users searches, and click throughs on the results, as a means of testing the data and algo.

A bit like software companies going straight to release rather than beta stage and then waiting for bug reports from users......

TJ

parabola

3:05 pm on May 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

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chicago,

I have been seeing sj creep into www for a few days now. It has increased however.

Google Guy said repeatedly that he thought that we would foirst see sj in the new index and THEN they would gradually add backlinks/filters.

This is the part that is confusing to me as well. Why would they put a self described incomplete index live?

Also, to all those that are happy with sj results now, keep in mind that there will be a major shift soon when all the last 2 months links are factored in.

wingslevel

3:06 pm on May 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

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1's for my 3 main sites.

my serps on -sj haven't changed at all in the last couple of days.

johnser

3:07 pm on May 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>>I (believe) I have seen GG posts implying that the average Joe would not know a difference if they used the new algo with a two-month-old index

Yeh, it was GG.

Perfect clean site.
PR6
Nothing dodgy.
Had 400 backlinks.
#4 on WWW > #145 on SJ for competitive phrase.
(#1 in March against very stiff competion)

5

Chicago

3:09 pm on May 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

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also, if the results were good-it would be one thing. in many many cases of the 50+ urls that we manage these results seem just ok. In many other case, the results are just bad. There is no understanding the ranking when looking at them from an on-site and off-site optimization standpoint. leading me to believe that PR is not fully updated, backlinks are still being sought, and last months indexed sites not completely rolled in. Again, i was totally cool with this before, but to make such a incomplete index live is beyond me.

joeweb

3:13 pm on May 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I'm pushing a 4 or 5. Overall I'm feeling better... "better get a bucket, I'm going to hurl"

bether2

3:15 pm on May 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

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A 4 or 5 for me. Clean site - no tricks.

I'm fairly confident, though, that when the update is finished my rankings will be the same or better than last update.

Beth

creative craig

3:15 pm on May 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I am between a 2 and a 3!

Craig

djgreg

3:23 pm on May 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

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5

Four sites which ranked very well the last 6 months, are nowhere to see for my important keywords. I can't imagine why these sites are doing so bad in sj, because they have really good content and I don't use Guestbooks, Hidden Text, Hidden Links or stuff like this.

greg

Chicago

3:23 pm on May 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

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this is like voting for an election without knowing the candidates and pary affiliations.

whats the point?

lets vote on the process. that is more clear. last month, wham -a rolling update, clean and swift. this month a total mess. blame it on a algo or filter tweaks if you will. the second incomplete results went live, is the second G lost my vote on this one.

before they would revert to last months index for 2-3 days during the dance. these days, they just put out incomplete and inconsistant results.

troi21

3:26 pm on May 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

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6

Dr Greenthumb

3:28 pm on May 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

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1, very haappy so far, I hope it goes live as is.

cashmere

3:29 pm on May 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

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deja vu 5. 22 -> 96. This has happened before then reversed next update. seems to be related to factoring backlinks.
Biggest change is addition of one doorway keyword page, seemingly in a big cross-link farm, at no. 2 in the serps. :( It has a keyword1keyword2keyword3keyword4... url.
Also seems like a lot more people are SEOing with beter Titles, etc, so there is a change even if Google changed nothing in the algo.

bunltd

3:34 pm on May 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Hmm, for me it's 2 or 3... But sj is still showing older results for my keywords, we'll have to wait and see how it ends up.

LisaB

needinfo

3:38 pm on May 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I'm a 4 or there abouts. I agree with most people that it seems crazy for google to port the SJ results to WWW.
The only thing which reassures me is that by simply looking at the SERPS's I can see that the quality has diminished for sure. For example "red widegets" and "green widgets" being returned on page 1 for searches for "blue widgets", granted there are some sites returned for blue widgets also.
All I have to do is compare these SERP's to the SERP's from WWW to know that Google would be crazy to release them to WWW permanently... it's bad enough that they do it intermitantly as they are doing now... there must be a very good reason for them doing that.

mrkarron

3:42 pm on May 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Somewhere between 1 and 2 for all sites.

Chicago

3:47 pm on May 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Well put , NeedInfo. Couldn't agree more.

>>>there must be a very good reason for them doing that

Let's hope- as they are the brilliant ones. Maybe something like WE HAD TO do it this way cause... would be a good start.

mogwai

3:49 pm on May 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

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My first post, wehey :)

For my oldest site (just over a year) it's a 3. For my newer sites a 4, some of my best revenue generating phrases have been swamped with the spam masters of yesteryear.

jranes

3:50 pm on May 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

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1 all the way. Let's get this show on the road!

MOOSBerlin

3:50 pm on May 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

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1 - 2 for all my sites.
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