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the SERPs were different in the past few days for sure.
changed mid day today.
I also saw this - for all my sites and for a competitor, 2 months ago, anybody know if this is part of the same update, or is it because some webmaster tools are broken right now?
Thanks.
If this is the new Google, I think the average user may migrate over to Bing.
[66.102.7.99...]
[66.102.7.104...]
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Gotta say - a considerable minority of the Gorg search population is and has been getting Caffeine live as their ONLY google.com results, for a while now.
And the cookie/tracking they are using to do this, is VERY SNEAKY.
I'll let others (and other threads address this) WHEN and IF they notice it
as it has far reaching implications combined with the immoral personalized search.
We see your shadowy actions, Gorg. Don't think that someone isn't watching the Watchers. -.-
I think you will find thge results are different.
I tried the one that you included and I am seeing the same results as google.com.
I will try again later and see if it is showing results from Caffeine.
Caffeine Dataset now also on[66.102.7.99...]
[66.102.7.104<...]I see different results on those 2 ip's but they are also different from Caffeine. I use proxies from a few locations and never see the Caffeine results live anywhere, as well my logs are not showing any traffic that would have to come from Caffeine related surps... I think that some databases are just dancing around causing confusion.
Could someone seeing Caffeine please outline the changes of the algo? If Caffein is identifiable by other SERPs there have to be changes in the algo as well.
I don't understand why you would say this. If Caffeine uses a different set of input data, then the results could change even using the same algo.
Anyway, that's my impression.
I've notice that after checking a few times my favorite search phrase (about twice a day and for a couple of days), suddenly google.com starts showing results pretty similar to the results that were available in the Caffeine datacenter a few days ago.This sudden change in search results have happened always when I restart my computer (I switch it off at night).
The "Caffeine" search results always dissapear when I put IE8 back to its default settings (Tools, Internet Options, Advanced, Restore advanced settings, Reset). However, the "Caffeine" search results will show again after a couple of days as explained above.
However, in the past days I haven't been able to see the Caffeine results according to what I reported.
An important clarification is I don't have the Google toolbar installed on the machine from which I made that report.
I do have an older Google toolbar installed in another machine which I use for testing purposes. That machine runs Windows 2000 fully updated with IE 6 and version 3 of the toolbar.
When I run my favorite query from the toolbar I get the Caffeine results as I reported a few days ago.
[edited by: tedster at 6:44 pm (utc) on Jan. 26, 2010]
[edit reason] workaround for a system issue [/edit]
Saw one page that had nothing to do with a widget but had this spammed all in the middle (exchange widget for whatever you like)
widgets
small widgets
mesh widgets
black widgets
cheap widgets
bolt on widgets
more widgets
brand name widgets
widget style
... kept on going ..
grrr..
A few days ago [in this thread] I reported this:
Yes, best observational post in the thread.
Your post was duly noticed at the time... and now commented on. ;)
An important clarification is I don't have the Google toolbar installed on the machine from which I made that report.I do have an older Google toolbar installed in another machine which I use for testing purposes. That machine runs Windows 2000 fully updated with IE 6 and version 3 of the toolbar.
When I run my favorite query from the toolbar I get the Caffeine results as I reported a few days ago.
Yes. Combine this knowledge with my statement of "a considerable minority of the Gorg search population is and has been getting Caffeine live as their ONLY google.com results,"
- and a cup of those who obviously do NOT see Caffeine datasets at all (assuming they know what's Caffeine when they see it)
- and add in a pinch of inquisitive research as to WHY?
- Bake at 350 for 1 week.
And you find yourself with a cake of
Gorg doing some yet unnoticed "VERY SNEAKY" tracking of comps.
But if I understand it correctly, Caffeine probably doesn't include any algo changes. Instead, Google is trying to implement a faster and more efficient way of collecting and handling data. Apparently this would include deeper and more comprehensive crawling, which would result in a larger set of input data. I think they want to implement this separately from any algo changes so that they can see the effect more clearly.
aristotle,
please see my earlier links in this thread for a fuller understanding of Caffeine the DATASET and Caffeine the INFRASTRUCTURE.
now with the added amendment -
As predicted to some behind the scenes.
Caffeine is also adding some nearly unidentifiable tracking and segmenting of actual computers/browsers.
Again, when and if, this is noticed...
or Gorg foolishly tries to pass this thru with Caffeine, it will be considered tantamount to placing a RFID chip in one's computer and the BACKLASH will be severe.
i PRAY Gorg doesn't actually think the public will both not notice this and/or DEMAND a complete reversal of it's technique.
If Gorg is looking to get government intervention in every aspect of their business, then this is a SURE way to do it.
"A few days ago (in this thread) I reported this"
Yes, best observational post in the thread.
Your post was duly noticed at the time... and now commented on. ;)
An important clarification is I don't have the Google toolbar installed on the machine from which I made that report.I do have an older Google toolbar installed in another machine which I use for testing purposes. That machine runs Windows 2000 fully updated with IE 6 and version 3 of the toolbar.
When I run my favorite query from the toolbar I get the Caffeine results as I reported a few days ago.
Yes. Combine this knowledge with my statement of "a considerable minority of the Gorg search population is and has been getting Caffeine live as their ONLY google.com results,"
- and a cup of those who obviously do NOT see Caffeine datasets at all (assuming they know what's Caffeine when they see it)
- and add in a pinch of inquisitive research as to WHY?
- Bake at 350 for 1 week.
And you find yourself with a cake of
Gorg doing some yet unnoticed "VERY SNEAKY" tracking of comps.
Will this be an attempt to motivate people to use the toolbar and Google Chrome?
i believe it's more much insidious than that, when one takes a long term view. (which i'll expound upon when the time comes)
But, your initial response will probably be one of the explanations that Gorg gives, to "explain away" the abnormalities.
Is there something wrong with the PR bar...
Yeah, it's about 3 months out of date, inaccurate, estimated, FUD that's created a whole market of link sales and site valuations based on inaccurate information, but beyond that, I'd say it works fairly well...
but beyond that, I'd say it works fairly well
This is seriously pissing me off - I can't even make SEO adjustments to clients pages because I can't accurately evaluate what is causing the changes.. For all I know Google is trying to ruin SEO for us all... This is stressing me out!
My guess is that they had miserable failure upon launch and they're to scared to admit it. Now we have to pay for it? I saw no issues with the old google they should have never messed with it.
I can't accurately evaluate what is causing the changes.
There are probably smiles and high-fives all around the Plex because of your comments...
IMO things are going according to plan.
