Welcome to WebmasterWorld Guest from 184.108.40.206
Hi, I am not sure IF this is relevant or not.. but here goes... I have suffered with a website dropping like a stone in Google.. and this happened on August 25th/26th. At the SAME time my website error Log seemed to crash and 100 core files got generated. I deletede these files... and have checked my current error log and I am getting about 100 error message an hour... and Google is picking up on these errors as shown in my site index... I have the IP addresses and can block them but they are from numerous sources... and they try to find an impossible url... any suggestions?
Could there be more to these changes in Google serps than meets the eye?
[edited by: tedster at 4:44 am (utc) on Sep. 1, 2007]
My prior post, my site that had been ranked third for a single kw that vanished to page 7, is now back on page 1, altho sliding up and down the page. At least that idiotic page from Craigslist, the rant, is gone. Looks like they are trying to fix the damage.
The page that did get ranked on page 7 was not the homepage, but a page only semi on topic for that single kw. Pretty embarrassing screw up! Here's hoping they actually do fix this mess.
I sell an industrial product and a very popular one too. Site ranks tops in the industry in Alexa and Most Popular at Yahoo Directory. On G, I've been replaced by some Lesbian book whose authors last name is my KW.
Hope that this "shopping experience" is good for all of the "engineers" and "homeowners" who buy thousands of my products monthly.
I laughed when Google dropped to number 2 for "User Experience" last month being kicked out by Yahoo. Maybe they're spending too much time trying to sell me Newspaper, Radio and TV ads, not to mention getting into the PHONE business.
This whole natural SERP issue has made my AdWords spend more than double and I'm now talking 5 digits monthly.
I guess the FREE ride is over.
PS.. Hope that Lesbian book author is selling alot of those books to the industrial engineers that search for this product.
I wonder if Matt Cutts still reads this or if he's too engrossed in hacking his iPhone to see that they have BIG PROBLEMS!
[edited by: tedster at 3:41 pm (utc) on Sep. 8, 2007]
[edit reason] make a live link [/edit]
I totally agree about MC.... if you look at his blog right now, nobody really cares to post comments anymore and it hasn't been updated for days so I am hoping that he is BUSY fixing the search right now working 24/7 and BTW, who would want their search on their iPhone anyway?
I just happened to see this in the search result:
.html - 31k - 14 hours ago
Notice the 14 hours ago thing! Why would that be interesting to know except for some news pages? Are they going to show "5 years ago" if it is an old page that haven't been updated in 5 years?
Why is this important to show in the results?
NOTE: As of like 5 minutes ago my traffic suddenly came back without me changing anything. Checking my placement with a tool yesterday revealed that I was at 800 or so and as of this morning it is at 21.
Hope it'll last but who knows with Google. They do as they damn well pleases. "It's just math anyway".... Geesh... I wish I wouldn't have skipped that lesson in school :)
Here's another thing I noticed:
In my stats I saw this: blue widgets ma -<a classified ad site>
Seems like people are getting tired of page after page with subdomains from this site......
[edited by: tedster at 3:43 pm (utc) on Sep. 8, 2007]
UPDATE: Matt Cutts IS reading his blog and have reacted to the chinese spam sites I have reported! They are testing right now. A lot of them is still there and I haven't seen any decline yet, but at least they are aware of it!
Not sure, and will probably never find out, what they did to us. Maybe we were digging to deep so they decided to let us in from the cold again. I hope that it'll last and that all of us that deserve to be there at the top get back to where we belongs and that they GOOG stops jacking with our sites. Should be someone else turn next time, right?
One observation thoug, like I have said before, is that GOGG seems to be trying to do some "web site typing", i.e. trying to find a way to clump sites together in a taxonomy. Maybe they ARE planning to have their search categorized, just like I tried a while back? It would be a good thing, not to mix each and everyone on the same page. People usually know if they are looking for a book about widgets or the widget itself or a place to buy a widget... whatever you would do with a widget, I don't know :)
Several shifts could be attributed to paid link penalties, and these previously high ranking pages appear to be staying down amidst other movement. The reason for some other churn, though, isn't really clear right now. This appears to be very much a work in progress.
GOGG seems to be trying to do some "web site typing", i.e. trying to find a way to clump sites together in a taxonomy. Maybe they ARE planning to have their search categorized
I think this idea deserves its own thread - so I started one:
Domain Age Counts
It seems as though, that the current 1 word KW search is still being fully integrated into the Google results with BOOKS, BLOGS, MAPS. etc.
The top 3 or 4 results do seem to be on target - but a check of domain age, KW optimization, and backlinks shows that the results are based on strictly the age of the domains. The rest of the results still contain relevant sites but also a lot of garbage sites.
Naturally, this domain age thing seems to be just one of the DIALS that G is experimenting with to get the 1 word KW in synch so this could also be different depending on the DC setting.
"marcia" has posted a link to the Google Blog concerning the integration of "digitized out-of-copyright books"
Also - "marcia" had a post in May about 1 KW searches (sorry, I can't seem to find to include it here) which is interesting because here we are 4 months later and we are still dealing with this.
"tedster" has started a new thread concerning Google trying to classify sites based on what type of site it is such as a Book, Blog, Commercial
Was all the yo-yoing in July and August just a test and big G has now decided that it likes the result when most of our sites are out.
I have had troble with G since Dec 23th 2006.
Google depression sets in.....
Question: Why is the result different when I use my ggogle.com and the IP address a ping gives different? DNS resolution?
Here's how to get your Google IP.
Click Start button and the RUN
Type in cmd and hit enter
type in ping google.com in the DOS window.
Just in case you don't know
I did't know.... But using the IP addresses I get when I ping google from my machine give me clean results.
When I enter the search term from my browser... in my Google toolbar - Not signed in - I get garbage....
OH NO! Google has taken over my browser!
Just kidding... but can't figure it out.
g1smd - any ideas?
[edited by: Arctrust at 3:41 am (utc) on Sep. 10, 2007]
Interesting to see that the toolbar but not signed-in results are where the "garbage" SERPs are seen.
From all my tinkering I have only come to this:
A search for a 1 word KW on a direct IP (and I'm trying 4 different ones)
The SERPS are clean and my listing is fine.
Searching for the same from my Google toolbar - signed in or not
The results are garbage.
So.... what do I know after 21 hours of work today?
Not much other than what we all previously discussed on a wide variety of posts at other times...
Apparently - from those Data Centers it seems that G may be applying a filter that was previously discussed here about x years ago then known as LocalRank - which doesn't really mean that it's a GEO filter rather it's a re-ranking of the top 900 -1000 results that the algo finds in the first "CUT" long before displaying the final results you see.
So in conclusion - the results seem to be somewhat filtered right before they are shown.
It is in this final filter where I belive Google is now sending the additional sites that they are looking to integrate... which seem to be blogs, books, craigslist entries and myspace posts.
Is this something I think I can fix - probably not. Yes there does seem to be some listings in position 1-3 that actually do belong there but then there are 3 or 4 garbage listings, 1 more listing that probably belonged where the fisrt garbage listing started and this pattern repeats throught the results.
This pattern that I notice is where the real problem seems to be.
Where is GoogleGuy or anyone else from G when you need them.
I think that this attempt is definetly a Franken-Google gone wrong but there doesnt seem to be any haste in correcting it.