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Hi, I am not sure IF this is relevant or not.. but here goes... I have suffered with a website dropping like a stone in Google.. and this happened on August 25th/26th. At the SAME time my website error Log seemed to crash and 100 core files got generated. I deletede these files... and have checked my current error log and I am getting about 100 error message an hour... and Google is picking up on these errors as shown in my site index... I have the IP addresses and can block them but they are from numerous sources... and they try to find an impossible url... any suggestions?
Could there be more to these changes in Google serps than meets the eye?
[edited by: tedster at 4:44 am (utc) on Sep. 1, 2007]
"This is a strange thing to me - something that may be old but I just never noticed it before."
I think abandonment of the explicit exact search is a huge structural change in what one expects with a search engine.
I am seeing three-term exact searche "keyword1 keyword2 keyword3"
returning results without the exact search or any combination of only these three terms anywhere in the code!
The closest you get is a four-word string; keyword1 otherkeyword keyword2 keyword3.
Why has G made this change? Is this a bug or does this deviation from standard convention have another explanation?
Truly the worst top 10 results I have ever seen on any SE for this keyword.
The problem is with adding more internal links to those at the bottom of the pyramid is that I have diagnosed the problem for internal pages as a 950 problem, where the consensus seems to be deoptimization. Not sure pointing more links is going to solve that.
Plus, the penalty is entirely sitewide except for the homepage, which is gone for all relevant queries but still ranks #1 for its domain name. Pages near the top of the pyramid have many internal links pointing at them but are still 950'd.
What I think happened is google somehow ripped the authority for the main keywords from my homepage and now the internal pages are sitting out there without the vertical authority that used to pass from the homepage down the pyramid to them. This doesn't really fit with the 950 theories that are on the 950 thread, but I don't know how else to explain the homepage losing all authority in the niche... and not being 950'd, and on the same day all of the internals get 950'd.
And here I was thinking that if a page went supplemental, it's relative importance dropped, & could cause a drop in ranking.
Back to Watching,
[edited by: SEOPTI at 5:35 pm (utc) on Sep. 7, 2007]
Have you tried anything from this query? (URL edited out) I was directing your attention to Spy Fu and other similar utilities.
I've read that a newer version website can scrape/steal/publish your content and the newest version gets the credit and the older authority sites (targeted) lose their place to the newer pirated version. I may be mistaken though.
I found my site completely copied (large portions anyway) and that was followed by a DMCA type of email to site owner (told me to "stuff it" and "Happy New Year" since it was a day or so before the holiday) - then to the webhost (best choice in my limited experience) - and then to their ISP.
After about the 2nd or 3rd copy to his webhost and that was it. They must have been "reputable" hosting company - don't want to mention the name. It was down the next morning after getting a response from the webhosting provider.
Just thought I'd throw it out there for possible consideration. If a possibility - maybe an SEO expert can explain better.
[edited by: ronin100 at 6:28 pm (utc) on Sep. 7, 2007]
When I am looking for an item I am sick and tired of the ebay junk that is worthless now.
I really believe they are doing this to get clicks on the ads being displayed.
The only close searches I see are the ppc ads and we all know the worse a page is off topic searched the better the clickthrough you have....
I doubt it. Google's primary revenue stream depends on quality SERPs. I can see where they might choose to detune the quality a bit to motivate AdWords buys, but to throw quality out the window means searchers will quit Google altogether. I am quite sure they understand that.
Therefore, I believe these ridiculous search results are likely an unintended consequence of some experiment, or there is some other issue going on. In any event, I doubt Google is interested in committing corporate suicide, and so I believe the problems will abate.
I think the current troubles are much more likely some new approach of theirs that's gone horribly wrong. It won't stay like this.
joined:Dec 29, 2003
I have to agree with one poster. To Google everybody is just a lab rat when it comes to enhancing their fortunes.
Universal Search as it is envisioned is exactly what outland88 just said..
(Disclaimer) I am not an engineer and don't play one on TV ...
But the future of SERPS is not throwing all the garbage into the algo and hoping that the user will find what they need or that the algo will guess what they are looking for.
Since the algo cannot anticipate intend, the future of a good SE would be one where it's horizontal... Meaning that there is one search box and different tabs as illustarted below for the searcher to identify the "Area of Interest":
[Commercial] [Blogs] [Books] [News] [Social Search] [Create Your Own]
My two cents....
You are right on the money!
I actually started creating an SE like that a couple of years ago but gave up because it was just too much work, but I think that's where they need to go.
For the Search results right now, they are just a joke. Don't think anyone can find anything right now. I see SOME sites that hasn't been affected and can't figure out why they haven't been devaluated (yet)especially one I helped to get where he is right now which suxx even more...
Everything seems to be a mystery so far and I haven't seen any goox tries to explain whats going on.
For my site I am guessing it is a lot of things like penalties for something I don't have a clue, chinese spam pages pushing it down, link re-evaluation, broken algo with lots of filters removed... just a huge cluster-f@ck from Google. Probably all of it.
Below is just a test I ran for a what I call a medium importance keyword in my areas and the returns.
Number of Pages Listed Per Domain In Top 100 Search Results For Specified Keyword.
*Google itself occupied 20% of the top 100 results.
*Fourteen domains occupied 51% of the top 100 results.
*No domain containing the keyword phrase appeared in the first 83 results except with Adwords. The keyword searched for appeared in numerous Adword domains.
Google argues that its new Universal Search is to give people a broader range of information but is this true? This particular search may show Google is just increasing the footprint of sites that already had a large presence on the Internet and in Google Search. The notable absence of sites that devote themselves in entirety to the keyword subject is indeed a glaring omission.
I am personally skeptical that Universal Search the way it is so far can be incorporated without giving a definitive bent to certain web sites.
Thank you for re-affirming what I see and thank you for the compliments...
The search that "outland88" has just run is exactly what I am seeing except perhaps with a slightly different bend based on the KW.
The notable absence of sites that devote themselves in entirety to the keyword subject is indeed a glaring omission.
This is near and dear to me because this is how I make my living...I sell 1 item - that's it... in many variations - but 1 item.
I can't help from wondering why G would even make such garbage visible when they can contain it to small regional areas until it actually LOOKS good.
They could release this DB to say Rome, New York or Naples, Florida or Brooklyn, Ohio instead of infecting everyone at once.
What ever happned to incubator tests?
If your stomach is in knots, relax and look back in a week or so. Unless if you like watching this stuff trying to learn something. There probably is plenty to learn.
My site has not only been replaced by spam sites but it also seems that I have got some sort of penaly for whatever reason.....
As if it could get worse :(
[edited by: tedster at 2:22 am (utc) on Sep. 8, 2007]
Have done everything by the book. PR 4 site but it's the highest in my industry. Same site ranks #2 on MSN and #3 on Yahoo for those same single word KW...
So, I've been told on this board that Google doesn't owe me anything and that I should stop complaining.
So I have... Sold my G stock...
internal page ranks better than my home page.
I've been noticing this on several searches. For a long time, I complained about Google's preference for showing the Home Page, or at least a higher level page that was a couple clicks away from the best page for the information.
Maybe they're trying to get more specific again (if so I applaud the motive) but those newly ranking internal pages are often not the best, either. Yes, the search words are often there on the page as a pure character match - but not really as the page's overriding topic. Almost feels like AltaVista in 1996 sometimes.
There may be something like...
"okay, we know this domain should rank a page here, let's pick one of the seventeen from this domain that have the same relevance score, even if they don't have the same link text, PR and authority/hub scores... we'll just give them all the same score as the root URl for those."
It's been like this since May
Someone who has been experiencing the same thing as I have...
How come there aren't more people posting this?
Has this issue by some chance become mired in everything else that seems to be going on?
In May, I noticed that the SERPS were clean... but our listing had dropped a few positions. From No 2 to 8
In June, I sat tight.
In July, I tinkered - would see the site rise from bottom of first page to top and then within an hour - it would fall back down to where it started - it was like it was MANUALLY labeled somehow to show in position 8-10.
In August I tinkered some more... But the results were same as July.
Now in September - I see garbage during business hours and clean SERPS at night till the next morning.
What this tells me is that G is obviously tinkering during the day...At night I now see the results of all my tinkering moving the listing up... but again... only till the next business day where I see nothing but garbage - some good listings at the top but essentially all the rest is garbage.