Update Saga. Part 6

[selomelo]

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The same down-and-on problem here in Turkey.
But j3 goes on and off. No steady results. At least three different sets:

216.239.63.104 (I think with additional tweaks)
64.233.161.104 (still J2)
64.233.179.104 (J3)

[Jean Valjean]

Dealing with google issues
-one way links to get a high ranking-and PR
Lessons of how to exterminate your competitors.
1: launch over 20000 pages with one way links to your competitors
2:With the new link update google will notice those links
3:abstact all those links after the new update.
results:
1:competitors are flaged for a huge link increase (during the new link update)
2:red flag -next update competitors lost 20000 links.

[Eazygoin]

Jean Valjean>>

Do you really think that anyone on here has reached such a level, whereby they would do such a thing.

Apart from which Google updates every day on things such as links. When you see a backlink update, it is merely an update for the public to see, and even then only a representative proportion of actual links. However, in reality, there is a huge amount that Google updates, which we never see, until such a time as we see a b/l or PR update.

Following your suggestion of harming competitors is a sad and extremely negative approach to etiquette.

[Jean Valjean]

Easygoin:that is the Achilles heel of Google PR trademark.
Any comments?

[Jean Valjean]

"Do you really think that anyone on here has reached such a level, whereby they would do such a thing. "
YES
Thousands.......

[colin_h]

I'm sure that Jean Valjean is right. My site just got banned out of the blue several months ago. I had noticed a huge increase in incoming links for 3 months prior to the ban but was heartened by google's comments regarding the impossibility of one site hurting another.

3 months afterwards, I got my listings back. 2 weeks after this, when my incoming links were re-calculated, I was banned again.

I must state that I've never cheated, crammed keywords or went in for link exchanges ... so why else would I have got banned. Oh ... and of course google have never given me any inclination as to the reasons, no matter how much I've pleaded.

[Eazygoin]

colin_h and JeanValdin >>

Although I fully understand your grievances, and also your anguish at people like me defending Google, when you can see no light at the end of the tunnel, I cannot see how destroying competitors can assist you in any way.

I can only speak from personal observations, and I work hard and long at building relationships with my competitors, so that we can exchange information, links, ideas, and I am sincere when I say that we work extremely well together. There is no animosity, no backstabbing and no feeling of envy.

I have read on occasion to be wary of including comepetitors in links, but the reality for me is that it does two things. Firstly, it gives my customers a choice, and they can decide who is best for them. Secondly, I believe strongly in what I am doing, and so hope my customers will see that we are the best solution for them. Thirdly, its better to have everyone on your side, than try and compete. Yes, thats in an ideal world, which we don't live in, but I think its the best way to deal with things.

Google list Yahoo and MSN in their searches. I am sure it doesn't affect them negatively, as they want to offer choice, and people realise which is the best search engine for them, at the end of the day.

[King of all Sales]

Reseller -

You are exactly correct about poor quality of serps, and you are not alone. I read in Seth Godin's blog that in an independent blind test, 60% of users thought that both Yahoo and MSN had more relevant results. He went on to say that Google has gained their stature because of the spartan user interface they devised.

A business built on a user interface is a house of cards and I suspect that no one knows that better than our friends at Google. That's why they seem to be going in a hundred different directions at once. They are frantic to diversify to maintain their customer base.

If MSN, for example, incorporates search into their upcoming operating system in clever ways, Google's user interface will seem like old hat.

Investors are excited about Google at the moment because they see nothing but dollar signs, without having the slightest inkling about what is really transpiring in the search world. But Google knows that they are on thin ice and are looking for ways to offer more value to a fickle public.

Therefor, I think that the folks at Google are not all that concerned about search relevancy at the moment because the competition has caught up - search is too easy to replicate.

From my sector, I can see the tide slowly shifting. Through this update, we are down with some keywords but up with others. It's hard to judge because the Christmas season produces all sorts of anomalies, but it looks like our traffic has remained level and our conversions are up with Google.

But interestingly, during the middle of the day on weekdays, the traffic from MSN actually passes that of Google. That's been happening for a few weeks now and it's a new thing for us.

[texasville]

All I can see is google is using more algos and tweaking things more and more and end up breaking things worse and worse. I get really discouraged looking at the way google treats the sites I manage. It is a shame that a se has so much trouble getting things right.
On another note, I cheer myself up by looking at the way msn indexes the sites I manage. No problems, no url only's, no banning original content into supplemental. No canonical problems. And in my sectors, good clean serps. Looking forward to the day aol and msn team up. I think google has just lost focus. They are trying to do way too many projects at once and se quality has fallen way down on their list.

[ramachandra]

IMO J 3 took long time to Update and is still under dilemma. Not finding stable SERPs.

[Dayo_UK]

>>>>>IMO J 3 took long time to Update and is still under dilemma. Not finding stable SERPs.

I 1000000000000000000000000% agree with this - but to most people they would not notice.

Also G has not been able to find stable serps for sites that have been hit by the bug since February time though.

Oh well. At least we know there is more to come for definite and that G must be working on something.

[ramachandra]

>>At least we know there is more to come for definite and that G must be working on something.

Hope so! 2006 Google will bring good SERPs for quality websites.

[reseller]

Dayo_UK

>>Oh well. At least we know there is more to come for definite and that G must be working on something.<<

I hope you are right, Dayo.

But....

Wasn't that what we wrote after allegra?

Wasn't that what we wrote again after Bourbon?

And here we are writing the same after Jagger, unfortunately.

It seems we got used to be on the recieving end of empty promisses, unfortunately.

And I wouldn't be surprised if Matt will post again next December 2006 the same "declaration".

Sorry Inigo, couldn't resist the temptations :-)

[Mountdoom]

I'm a google fan, so it hurts to say this, but they've failed miserably over this update. Ignoring the actual serps themselves (a disaster for me), the public relations exercise has IMO been a complete farce. They are a multi-billion dollar company whose only face is a couple of zoo keepers who feed scraps of info to caged animals when it suits. When things aren't going well the silence is deafening. Come on google, treat us like adults. Is Jagger complete? Has it met your expectations? Answers to those two questions would give many on this forum a sense of closure. We can then move on.

[tigger]

>At least we know there is more to come for definite and that G must be working on something.

sure they are working on something Dayo - stupid maps!

[lee_sufc]

does anyone know if MCDARs tool is working? for me, all dcs show the same results, however, if you check manually, various DCs are showing the test serps?!?!?

[Kangol]

On [216.239.37.99...] is see some movements an a small (-200,000) page decries.
Im down a few places also. Is this DC live someware in US?

[ramachandra]

>>>Wasn't that what we wrote after allegra?

>>>Wasn't that what we wrote again after Bourbon?

>>>And here we are writing the same after Jagger, unfortunately.

>>>It seems we got used to be on the recieving end of empty promisses, unfortunately.

>>>And I wouldn't be surprised if Matt will post again next December 2006 the same "declaration".

:) No comments......... lol

[Dayo_UK]

>>>Wasn't that what we wrote after allegra?

>>>Wasn't that what we wrote again after Bourbon?

>>>And here we are writing the same after Jagger, unfortunately.

>>>It seems we got used to be on the recieving end of empty promisses, unfortunately.

>>>And I wouldn't be surprised if Matt will post again next December 2006 the same "declaration".

Lol - No comments too ;)

[Pro_Editor]

Dayo,
Just my 2 cents—possible interps of what is going on:
• G is making a legit attempt to fix issues but got lost in the update wilderness
Proof—terrible search results, unto ridiculous even (my well written little site fell from p1 to 16 overnight, and my listing on p16 is a secondary page—sometimes even my /links page—with the main page for the keyword indented beneath it, my link partners come up on the first several pages with my listing on their site highlighted—even for a search by my site name, one listing ahead of mine is for a knitting pattern service—which made me laugh and then want to cry, and much more silliness).
• G is playing games to make more money (increased adwords revenue, which one must increase to keep G traffic at its usual levels, to make any damned money)
Proof—all of my traffic from G is adwords given my new all-time low search results
• G is now a big corporate monster in spades and does not care if our businesses suffer, the biggest fish in the pond and so filled with big-fish hubris because the other SEs pale by comparison in their reach
Proof—everywhere you look on any G search (and this forum)
• G really has a plan and it will be made clear to us in the end, like God’s plan when one dies (and trying to contact G is pretty much just like saying a prayer: the words go off into the ether without hope that we will ever hear a reply: please show us a sign oh mighty G!)
Proof—none because the big fish doesn’t feel it needs to tell us anything at all; the inscrutable G-fish just listens in on these forums and laughs heartily as the krill scheme and hypothesize and vent (like I am doing now), so smile, for indeed we may be the butts of a cosmic joke--until G gets some real competition (but then the jealous G might kick in: ‘thou shalt have no other SEs before me,’ and what punishments might we expect then?)

[mgpapas]

Is anyone else noticing some wacky stuff using the google api (does that use a specific DC or random?)

My best key phrase was #7 when I went to bed last night and then 108 when I woke up then 102 a short while later and now it's 86. Most of my keywords are wacky actually though a few are normal but the normal ones are for the most part more obscure.

Is this just some normal reindexing or abnormal reindexing or is it broken?

[tigger]

sounds to me like G playing around with DC's - maybe you should take a note of which DC your hitting when you see these rankings jumping around that way you may have a better idea whats happening

[Jean Valjean]

"G playing "
LOL with what?

[Pico_Train]

It's knob!

Hehe.

[Pico_Train]

Sorry, couldn't resist.

[Jean Valjean]

Got the message I see Pico:)

[Fortune]

mgpapas,

Im also seeing some really whacky results...apart from the constant changes in rankings, the number one ranked site for that search term is not even indexed in Google if i do a URL search...

Very wierd, maybe Google had a bit too much to drink at their christmas party...

[Brett_Tabke]

We are putting the lid on this one... it's time.